"LAPD just murdered an unarmed man right in front of me."
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tell that to ignorant americans who are all caught up on the race issue and unlike liberty movement people, don't know how bad police are.
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Seems like they are all in some serious lessons from Heisenberg:
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That's right, and that is why I repeat to the nausea of everyone here that LANGUAGE MATTERS.
"Office Involved Shooting" - what the fuck does that mean? NOTHING.
One day I will not be surprised to find Themme turning it into a common acronym - OIS.
"And in other news, a young nig... erm... black... erm... uh... African American bo... erm... MAN was involved in an OIS. Police say he was armed and officer safety was at stake. End of story."
Are any of you old enough to have been (at least technically) a fully fledged adult when Robocop hit the theaters? Was I the only person who found the portrayal of the nightly news ridiculous? And yet, 20-some years later, the nightly news makes the Robocop caricature look positively formal and tame. At that time, the portrayal was outrageously absurd. Now it is daily fare.
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It's superficially fashionable... this week.
Good grief, don't you know anything?
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I saw it in the theater. Hollywood has been inuring us to (or conditioning us for) Dystopia for a long time. With every passing year I am more certain that each generation marches behind the lemming before it en route to an unavoidable precipice.
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I'd been out of the Navy for 6 years when that came out...
I've still never watched it.....:o
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We've been sent warnings for 150 years or more. Few are listening because they just don't give a damn. The majority either see no problem or do not regard it as worthy of their action. If this land is to be preserved, and at this point that is a very big and tenuous "if", it appears at this time that it will once again be the 3% who are going to pull everyone's bacon out of the fire because the 97% are too cowardly, stupid, lazy, or vested to get real skin into the game.
This once again raises a question I asked perhaps a year ago and nobody wanted to touch it: what does the 3% do about the 97%? It is a valid question and should be addressed, even if to say "nothing - leave them as they are". I can accept that, but then (and in any case I suspect) that the restoration of this land to that which it ought to be is a task looming far larger than most people even here can imagine.
I am all for "leaving them alone", but the right context, and here "right" means "you're on your own". No more welfare state. No more taxpayer-extorted safety nets. You go make your way by whatever valid means you can manage. If you need charity and can get it, blessings be upon you. If not, tough shit. No more of this picking the pockets of Peter to pay Paul. Enough is far too much, already.
That leaves the spectre of correcting "law", or more correctly put. Cleaning that up will require basically a coup d-etat because there is no way that our current system is likely to affect the necessary changes to the degrees needed any time before the sun goes nova. That almost by necessity means the (at least temporary and/or partial) dismantling of the Constitution. I see no possible way that we would be able to affect the necessary changes with the likes of the 97% peopling the Congress. I predict with high confidence that little to nothing of substance would change and that they would, in fact, become worse by a quantum.
What I mean is this: imagine a civil war broke out and we killed the feds to the man or placed them at the bottoms of salt mines. It would make no difference because 97% of the population is comprised mostly of idiots whose brain poisons would retrieve control of "government" (a statistical certainty if we allow things to return to "normal" in a completely organic manner). That means Congress would appear and operate much as it does now. The lobbying would continue and the naive new Congress would be open to the softly spoken lies. Forget open corruption for the moment and just consider the general standards of right and wrong as they commonly exist in America today. Almost every rotten chip in the American barrel would remain. Remember the Congressional pain expressed at having to cut a mere $6B from a trillion dollar budget with the likes of Nancy Pelosi shrieking that there was nothing left to cut? That would continue.
Now for the part where it gets worse. At first the 3%ers *might* be hailed as saviors of the republic, but I absolutely GUARANTEE you that in short time that opinion would change, at least and at first behind closed doors where men would have conversations that would go roughly like this:
"Well yes, the 3% did in fact make possible our positions, but we've fixed everything, yet they remain armed. Can we afford to continue to have that?"
"No! We most certainly cannot. We have a new order of things and it is a good one; one that will last a very long time, if not forever. We've rooted out the corruption and made everything better. What if the men with guns decide they don't like that? No no... that simply cannot be tolerated. We have peace and are on our way back to prosperity. Most importantly, we have ORDER and UNITY. The 3% were probably just lucky; consider how things might have turned out... far and away worse. What's to say that if they tried this again one day that they would not precipitate the destruction of everything? No, I agree that the 3% must be clipped. Let us begin by disarming them..."
"No! We most certainly cannot. We have a new order of things and it is a good one; one that will last a very long time, if not forever. We've rooted out the corruption and made everything better. What if the men with guns decide they don't like that? No no... that simply cannot be tolerated. We have peace and are on our way back to prosperity. Most importantly, we have ORDER and UNITY. The 3% were probably just lucky; consider how things might have turned out... far and away worse. What's to say that if they tried this again one day that they would not precipitate the destruction of everything? No, I agree that the 3% must be clipped. Let us begin by disarming them..."
And so it would go, the piecemeal, creeping rationalization for why we must be taken to heel. This is not reasonably questionable in my mind, given the long historical precedents. I do believe it would be delivered in draconian fashion precisely because of the success. It's all now fixed, so time to stand down COMPLETELY. We've got this. And yes, I do in fact believe that the majority is precisely that insane and corrupt such that in the wake of what would be a terrifying series of events to the meaner, the average American would be sufficiently freaked out that they would be practically begging Themme to disarm one and all no matter what level of force would be needed. And the media machine would be rapid in its adaptation, turning coat on the heroes on a dime, now painting them as demons to be stamped out for the sake of security and safety... and the children.
This is why a civil revolt of any significance necessitates the end of the republic as we have known it and necessitating a rebuild pretty well from the ground up. And how would that happen? Who would make the decisions? Whose wise men would chair that committee? In a sea of 300 million IDIOTS, what are the statistical chances that, say, 1000 of what we here would regard as at least minimally right-minded individuals would be gathered and then come to the correct solutions? I'd call that as near to zero as once can get.
Changing this nation fundamentally in restoration of even what we had in the 1920s would take generations to achieve without warfare, if it would even be possible. I question the probability because the current system is geared to act in perfect concert with all human weakness. It is brilliantly implemented and it means that we would be like horny teens, ready to explode, yet deciding not to put hands or other body parts on the ultra-hot whore that has been laid down in our beds with us, herself dying to get her mouth properly affixed. How long does anyone thing that that will last?
This is why I see us as being in such deep trouble and why I see nothing fundamental changing for the better, barring a global cataclysm that wipes out the immediate ability for us as a species to continue on this insane gallop into the maw of destruction. This system... this "thing" is so vast in its mental entrenchment that I see no other way to correct the horrors of the human mind that have lead to our current material circumstance. This thing is well beyond planetary in its scale precisely because it lives in mind.
Therefore, barring such a cataclysm, we need to pretty well settle with the fact that freedom will not be forthcoming in our time, if ever. It seems, and please do offer any counter argument as I could use some cheery news, the best for which we can hope is that with endless vigilance and unbending determination we might restore the land to its 1920s political condition by the time our grandchildren are themselves grandparents. I find this the overly optimistic case, and perhaps I am not seeing clearly, so please chime in with your opinions. As I say, good news is always welcome.
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Yep...LAPD twitter said OIS and ADW.
Officer involved shooting after responding to a call of "Assault with a Deadly Weapon". I mean, I can't quite grasp the magnitude of the irony of shooting a guy dead on the suspicion of ADW with a fucking Swiss army knife. If it was that fucking deadly, there would be some dead cops. Maybe he filed their nails, dunno.
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I am unable to proffer anything that even resembles "good news"...
From my position the 97% of whom you speak will gladly, and without pause, completely annihilate the 3% in order to maintain their status quo....
Even here I read comment after comment that professes to somehow fix the current system..
The outlook is grim, but honestly such grimness is what's required to quash the entrenched.......
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It certainly wasn't this recent LAPD incident that started it... OIS is a very common acronym on twitter; I check it often to follow summary execution newz.
When dogs get summarily executed its #copshotdog in social media;
when people get summarily executed its always the verbless #OIS
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There is no good news. The best we can hope for is a collapse of the current system, and that we may be lucky enough to avoid the savages, the hyenas and the vultures - literally and figuratively - who will scavenge the countryside in search of goods and slaves. The cities will burn. The suburbs will be plundered, as will indiscriminate parts of the rural countryside. Pray that you are amongst enough fairly like-minded that if they come for your property or life, you can hold them off.
There aren't enough of us. We're surrounded by savages.
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how can you have liberty without 9/11 truth? you tell me!
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