Kurt endorses Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan ticket....

[specsaregood]

supporting and endorsing are different things.

My issue is with the going against his own word. i have no reason to trust that he is any different than Romney now. And he doesn't have any voting record to give me any reason to support him.

 

[Romulus]

Say its after the convention and Romney is the nominee. A reporter asks Amash if he will support Romney and Amash says yes. If he makes no other comment about Romney, then he's still one of the good guys?

Depends on the context of the 'yes', like I said...

I know its a team sport, but some take the cheerleading too far.

 

[sailingaway]

My issue is with the going against his own word. i have no reason to trust that he is any different than Romney now. And he doesn't have any voting record to give me any reason to support him.

I agree. I was speaking to someone having problems with people 'supporting' after the nomination the candidate from the party they hold office as a part of, there was one post confusing that with an endorsement.

 

[tsai3904]

So it sounds like most are ok with endorsements/support AFTER the nomination.

Even if that happens, many supporters will still be extremely upset and call them traitors, etc. How do you explain to those upset that supporting the nominee AFTER the nomination is ok?

 

[specsaregood]

So it sounds like most are ok with endorsements/support AFTER the nomination.

Even if that happens, many supporters will still be extremely upset and call them traitors, etc. How do you explain to those upset that supporting the nominee AFTER the nomination is ok?

Because after the nomination Ron and Romney are not competitors. I'll give Rand a pass because he has a record/legislation to back him up and he never promised to support Ron at the convention.

 

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

I'm disappointed too, but I understand why it was done. He's hoping to prove to the GOPe that he is a legitimate candidate, and trying to get their support back since they were against him up through the primaries last week. Sadly, Bills doesn't seem to realize that they are a pathetically small demographic, and it will do harm with indies and liberals.

Romney is going to get crushed hard in Minnesota. This has always been a blue state (even the 2000 "close" election everyone points to had 5% going to Nader instead of Gore), and Obama will win with no contest. Anyone supporting Romney out in the open will be hurt.

I just hope that his intention to "enthusiastically" help Romney is more rhetoric than reality, or this is going to make success even harder. He should keep as far away from Willard's campaign as possible, or he's painting a target on his back for Klobuchar.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Wasn't Kurt being hammered by the establishment for supporting Ron in the primaries? I personally had the impression that he was going to lose, maybe this is just damage control

So what? He should distance himself from Ron Paul? from his principles? (whatever that means)

I knew all along that Ron Paul is a unique and special person, but can't we ever find anyone else who is willing to stand by those principles even if it means losing? Because if you give them up just to win, what have you won, really?

I know actions speak louder than words, but at some point these candidates need to stop being afraid to say who they are. If they can't, no one is going to trust them!

 

[sailingaway]

So it sounds like most are ok with endorsements/support AFTER the nomination.

Even if that happens, many supporters will still be extremely upset and call them traitors, etc. How do you explain to those upset that supporting the nominee AFTER the nomination is ok?

You don't, imho. They may not find it ok. You can explain why YOU find it ok and see if they find it persuasive.

For me, if we are trying to get the reins of the GOP we go in knowing the whole point is it is a party with a central funding structure of the party candidates and while I like the maximum purity and would cheer someone who didn't, there are some basic things I will 'understand' if they do like supporting 'the nominee' generically. An endorsement is different, then I'd have to take each one as it came. Ron and Lamar Smith was for a vote I'm pretty sure, and only as better than the other guy, but Ron had 30 years of being Ron Paul and had earned some leeway.

 

[tsai3904]

Because after the nomination Ron and Romney are not competitors. I'll give Rand a pass because he has a record/legislation to back him up and he never promised to support Ron at the convention.

I understand your reasoning but some will still say they are selling their principles by endorsing/supporting Romney, regardless of when it happens. How do you explain to them that if it's done AFTER the nomination, it is ok?

 

[specsaregood]

I understand your reasoning but some will still say they are selling their principles by endorsing/supporting Romney, regardless of when it happens. How do you explain to them that if it's done AFTER the nomination, it is ok?

I thought I just did. Because after the nomination, Romney isn't a competitor with Ron and its a matter of team sports and most of our candidates will do better if team red does better.

 

[sailingaway]

I understand your reasoning but some will still say they are selling their principles by endorsing/supporting Romney, regardless of when it happens. How do you explain to them that if it's done AFTER the nomination, it is ok?

Some won't think it is. There will be different opinions. But I bet if it is after nomination they will be more willing to weigh other things against it. And again, an endorsement is different from the 'deemed required' pro forma 'support of the nominee'.

 

[SilenceDewgooder]

so what did Kurt endorse (approve) ... that someone who breaks their own party rules and flops with the political winds is a candidate that should be nominated for President?

 

[cajuncocoa]

Justin Amash said he's going to support the eventual GOP nominee.

I cannot find it now, but within the last week or two, Justin posted on Facebook that he supports Ron Paul for president and would not be making any further endorsements.

Say its after the convention and Romney is the nominee. A reporter asks Amash if he will support Romney and Amash says yes. If he makes no other comment about Romney, then he's still one of the good guys?

Suggestion:

Amash: "Well, you know I've supported Congressman Ron Paul's bid for president. I promised my Facebook followers that I wouldn't be making any other endorsements for president, so I'm going to stick to that."

Reporter: "blah, blah, blah."

Amash: "No further questions. Thank you."

 

[sailingaway]

I cannot find it now, but within the last week or two, Justin posted on Facebook that he supports Ron Paul for president and would not be making any further endorsements.



Suggestion:

Amash: "Well, you know I've supported Congressman Ron Paul's bid for president. I promised my Facebook followers that I wouldn't be making any other endorsements for president, so I'm going to stick to that."

Reporter: "blah, blah, blah."

Amash: "No further questions. Thank you."

an endorsement is different from supporting the nominee. He did say he'd SUPPORT THE NOMINEE (not 'Romney') after convention. He said however that he endorsed Ron Paul and would be making no further endorsements.

Supporting the nominee is essentially saying you are accepting the vote by voters in your party for a different office. Endorsing is saying 'I like this guy vote for him.' To me, at least.

 

[tsai3904]

I cannot find it now, but within the last week or two, Justin posted on Facebook that he supports Ron Paul for president and would not be making any further endorsements.

This is what he said on Facebook in response to someone's comments about Romney.

I am supporting the Republican nominee after the convention. I will not be making another public endorsement for President, though.

 

[cajuncocoa]

This is what he said on Facebook in response to someone's comments about Romney.

I am supporting the Republican nominee after the convention. I will not be making another public endorsement for President, though.

That's not what I saw. Maybe he changed his mind, and if so that sucks. I know that's not what he said when I saw it because I even responded to his post congratulating him on his decision.

 

[tsai3904]

I thought I just did. Because after the nomination, Romney isn't a competitor with Ron and its a matter of team sports and most of our candidates will do better if team red does better.

You didn't mention the team part earlier but I agree with what you said.

What I'm worried about is if Romney does become the nominee and more liberty candidates support him, there will be a lot of backlash that won't help the movement. I don't think people are ready for our candidates supporting Romney regardless if its after the nomination and its because they still don't think working within the GOP is the way to go.

 

[sailingaway]

That's not what I saw. Maybe he changed his mind, and if so that sucks. I know that's not what he said when I saw it because I even responded to his post congratulating him on his decision.

twitter allows only 140 digits. It was a series of tweets.

 

[tsai3904]

That's not what I saw. Maybe he changed his mind, and if so that sucks. I know that's not what he said when I saw it because I even responded to his post congratulating him on his decision.

He made this public post on his Facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/justinamash/posts/10151095545868866

I have endorsed Ron Paul for President, and I will not be making any other endorsements for President.

He then said this in the comments section of his Facebook page in response to someone else's comment:

http://www.facebook.com/justinamash/posts/10151095991793866

I am supporting the Republican nominee after the convention. I will not be making another public endorsement for President, though.

 

[cajuncocoa]

This is what he said on Facebook in response to someone's comments about Romney.

That's not what I saw. Maybe he changed his mind, and if so that sucks. I know that's not what he said when I saw it because I even responded to his post congratulating him on his decision.

Here it is!