Kucinich 2012 (is how it'll go down)

[jmdrake]

Yep, he's really pushing for our Civil Liberties taking away everyone's guns.

Gimme a break.

I never said the man was perfect brainiac. But Giuliani blows chunks on the gun issue to. He credits gun control for lowering crime in New York. And before you give me some line about you aren't voting for Giuliani either, realize that I made that post in response to an idiotic post that claimed DK was WORSE than Giuliani! Giuliani wants to take away your guns AND the rest of your civil liberties.

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[jmdrake]

I don't choose candidates based on one issue; I look at an overall message. When I look at Kucinich, I see several problems for a supposed supporter of liberty. Universal healthcare, expanding tax-funded welfare programs, continued meddling in other nation's affairs, gun control, national identification, the list goes on and on. This is no freedom fighter; at most he's blatantly capitalizing on catch-phrases that seem popular right now.

Universal healthcare? In one of the debates Ron Paul said that if we saved all of the money being blown in Iraq we could afford universal healthcare. While that's not a ringing endorsement of universal healthcare, Paul didn't treat it as the pariah you're making it out to be. (For the record I don't support universal healthcare either but I don't rank it up with domestic wiretapping as you seem to be.) Meddling in other countries affairs? Well Dennis Kucinich has taken military action against Iran OFF the table like Ron Paul. He also voted AGAINST going to war to meddle in the affairs of the former Yugoslavia. National identification? ARE YOU DAFT? Dennis Kucinich voted AGAINST the RealID Act!

http://www.lpalaska.org/?p=134

If you want to oppose Dennis Kucinich for stances he ACTUALLY took that's one thing. But don't go around making stuff up. That makes you no better than the neocons that make up stuff about Dr. Paul.

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

Dennis Kucinich voted AGAINST the RealID Act![/b]

That was a good one!

Here is the votes in detail
God only 8 Republicans said Nay
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll031.xml

 

[ChickenHawk]

Backing Down (a little bit)

Here's the deal, I really don't like DK because I view him as a big government socialist. I believe that views on the role of government would just lead to more of the abuses that he is personally against. I think his views on defense and foreign policy are dangerously naive. However, I can see how he may not be worse than Giuliani especially when viewed from certain perspectives. I really don't like Giuliani and know that most people here don't like him either. That was probably the reason I favorably compared him to Kucinich. It seemed to work cuz everyone is running around like their hair is on fire telling me I'm an idiot. I will concede that Giuliani>Kucinich was a bit over the top and certainly debatable. Let me revise this a little to just say that in the best case Kucinich is the lesser of two evils. Of course many will disagree with that but it is a lot less inflammatory than saying he is worse than the king neocon himself.

I'm still looking for a source to back up my unilateral disarmament statement and haven't found one yet. It does appear to me from what he has said that he does support unilateral disarmament if other countries cannot be convinced to disarm. I can't find were he has said that exactly but that is what I get from reading his stated position. Also, he is widely accused of supporting unilateral disarmament and I can find no instance were he has come out and challanged that assesment. I'll keep looking for more info as I find time.

 

[Luis]

To me, the War is a meaningless issue if it means we lose our freedom. I would rather stay in Iraq forever than become a Socialist lite country.

To you Kucinich supporters, the war is probably your #1 issue. For me, it's staying true to the Constitution and upholding our Liberty. The War in Iraq comes secondary, maybe third in front of fixing our economy.

The enemy is not out there. The enemy is within. That is an important part of the Ron Paul message. That is why he wants to bring all the troops home. And that is why he wants to take the FED back from the enemy alien imposters who rule us through the criminal power of their infinite supply of fiat currency.

Frankly, you come across to me as a provocateur.