Kucinich 2012 (is how it'll go down)

[Luis]

They are economically opposite. The only similarity I see is ending occupation of other countries.

In simplest terms Kucinich is a collectivist and Paul is an individualist. That's the big difference. That's the paradox. I would put Paul in charge and make Kucinich his vice-president.

They are in principled agreement on foreign policy. On domestic policy I would bring in Lyndon LaRouche to advise the Paul presidency on financial/monetary and physical economic issues and strategies.

I would first demand of LaRouche an apology and a written retraction of his anti-Spanish American, pro-Jewish sick and sickening points of view.

 

[jmdrake]

2nd amendment.

Enough said.

Giuliani doesn't support the 2nd Amendment. Neither does George W. Bush for that matter. The people hating on Kucinich aren't thinking straight. He's no Ron Paul but he beats the crap out of Giuliani, McCain, Mike "I want to change the constitution for God" Huckabee, Hillary "I'll bomb this country to save it" Clinton etc. Kucinich stood up against domestic wiretapping, the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, NAFTA, The Department of Homeland inSecurity etc. He's wrong on a lot, but he's not a total warmongering, 4th amendment trashing slug like some of the other choices we've had this year.

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[s35wf]

Giuliani doesn't support the 2nd Amendment. Neither does George W. Bush for that matter. The people hating on Kucinich aren't thinking straight. He's no Ron Paul but he beats the crap out of Giuliani, McCain, Mike "I want to change the constitution for God" Huckabee, Hillary "I'll bomb this country to save it" Clinton etc. Kucinich stood up against domestic wiretapping, the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, NAFTA, The Department of Homeland inSecurity etc. He's wrong on a lot, but he's not a total warmongering, 4th amendment trashing slug like some of the other choices we've had this year.

Regards,

John M. Drake

THANK YOU!

 

[Dsparil]

dennis kucinich is very VERY anti-freedom. I have never seen anything truly free come of his claims and desires. He wants a perfect socialist utopia that cannot and will not ever happen. Dennis Kucinich is not Ron Paul and is not even close to being what Ron Paul is. Kucinich would be better off in the American Communist Party than in a party that respects individual liberty. Dennis Kucinich would NEVER EVER get my vote.

 

[ChickenHawk]

Why Kucinich is worse than Giuliani.

Kucinich wants to ban our guns, send our military all over the world for "peace keeping" under UN authority, dramatically expand the federal government for cradle to grave entitlements and unilaterally dismantle our nations defense system. So while he isn't a war monger his policies would bankrupt us and lead to a war that we most certainly could not win. At least Giuliani would keep a strong defense so we might actually have a fighting chance to save ourselves from the mess he might cause.

This doesn't even address his push for a completely open borders policy that would destroy and bankrupt the country on its own. Kucinich is a one world government socialist that doesn't give a rat's a$$ about the constitution or the principles this country was founded on unless they fit his socialist authoritarian agenda. That's not what I would call an "honest man". If it came down to Kucinich and Giuliani in a general election I really might vote for the Ghoul. It would hurt but I might do it.

As for Kucinich being a friend of Ron's, I've got friends I would never vote for too. I'm sure he's a nice guy but that's where it ends.

 

[jmdrake]

Kucinich wants to ban our guns, send our military all over the world for "peace keeping" under UN authority, dramatically expand the federal government for cradle to grave entitlements and unilaterally dismantle our nations defense system. So while he isn't a war monger his policies would bankrupt us and lead to a war that we most certainly could not win. At least Giuliani would keep a strong defense so we might actually have a fighting chance to save ourselves from the mess he might cause.

This doesn't even address his push for a completely open borders policy that would destroy and bankrupt the country on its own. Kucinich is a one world government socialist that doesn't give a rat's a$$ about the constitution or the principles this country was founded on unless they fit his socialist authoritarian agenda. That's not what I would call an "honest man". If it came down to Kucinich and Giuliani in a general election I really might vote for the Ghoul. It would hurt but I might do it.

As for Kucinich being a friend of Ron's, I've got friends I would never vote for too. I'm sure he's a nice guy but that's where it ends.

Giuliani thinks gun control lowers crime.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/11/AR2007021100766.html

Giuliani wants to go to war with Iran.

Giuliani wants to continue the war with Iraq.

Giuliani supports the same "peace" missions Kucinich supports.

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070901faessay86501/rudolph-giuliani/toward-a-realistic-peace.html

Giuliani = Dennis Kucinich + Iraq war + Iran war + domestic wiretapping (Kucinich opposed) + mafia connections + Patriot Act + Homeland inSecurity + 9/11 grandstanding + a bad combover + a party dress.

Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are friends because they agree on a lot of issues! Opposition to domestic wiretapping, the Patriot Act, the wars in Iraq and Iran, willingness for new 9/11 investigation etc.

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[ChickenHawk]

Giuliani thinks gun control lowers crime.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/11/AR2007021100766.html

Giuliani wants to go to war with Iran.

Giuliani wants to continue the war with Iraq.

Giuliani supports the same "peace" missions Kucinich supports.

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070901faessay86501/rudolph-giuliani/toward-a-realistic-peace.html

Giuliani = Dennis Kucinich + Iraq war + Iran war + domestic wiretapping (Kucinich opposed) + mafia connections + Patriot Act + Homeland inSecurity + 9/11 grandstanding + a bad combover + a party dress.

Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are friends because they agree on a lot of issues! Opposition to domestic wiretapping, the Patriot Act, the wars in Iraq and Iran, willingness for new 9/11 investigation etc.

Regards,

John M. Drake

You don't need to convince me that Giuliani is bad. The whole point was that as bad as Giuliani is Kucinich is worse. I was using Giuliani to smear Kucinch not trying to praise Giuliani by comparing him to Kucinich. I know Giuliani's views on gun control and other issues and Kucinich would screw us in similar ways but leave a worthless military that couldn't defend us from all the people who hate us for all our "peace keeping". Being against warrantless wire tapping won't mean jack if we can't defend ourselves because our military has been dismantled.

 

[The_Ruffneck]

the thing is Ron Paul is like Mr Teflon , and you need that when barbs are being flung in your direction

Kucinich has been known to say the wrong things , he was sunk by the whole UFO thing.He's not teflon , he will slip up and be fed to the media dogs ala the 'Dean Scream'.

 

[Charles Wilson]

Giuliani doesn't support the 2nd Amendment. Neither does George W. Bush for that matter. The people hating on Kucinich aren't thinking straight. He's no Ron Paul but he beats the crap out of Giuliani, McCain, Mike "I want to change the constitution for God" Huckabee, Hillary "I'll bomb this country to save it" Clinton etc. Kucinich stood up against domestic wiretapping, the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, NAFTA, The Department of Homeland inSecurity etc. He's wrong on a lot, but he's not a total warmongering, 4th amendment trashing slug like some of the other choices we've had this year.

Regards,

John M. Drake

I would vote for a bucket of "puke" before I would vote for Dennis Kucinich. A socialist is a socialist, is a socialist. Thank God the Ron Paul campaign will decide if Kucinich will participate in the march and the decision will not be left to a bunch of Kucinich stooges posting on this thread.

IMO this march is all about the Constitution -- period. Socialists and neocon fascists are not welcome.

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

From reading this topic, I feel there are many warmongers who are hiding among us here, and I do not think this is the right place for them.

 

[ChickenHawk]

From reading this topic, I feel there are many warmongers who are hiding among us here, and I do not think this is the right place for them.

I feel that there are many among us who think that anyone who isn't a pacifist is a warmonger.

 

[Alex Libman]

Kucinich = Lenin in sheep's clothing. Not the sort of revolution we want!

We need to unite behind the Libertarian Party, aim for 3-5% in this election, twice as much in 2012, and grow from there...

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Communism 2012

 

[The_Ruffneck]

Kucinich = Lenin in sheep's clothing. Not the sort of revolution we want!

We need to unite behind the Libertarian Party, aim for 3-5% in this election, twice as much in 2012, and grow from there...

As long as all Paul supporters rally behind either the Libertarian party or the Constitution party (select one and everyone stick by it) so they can get the highest numbers possible and not be diluted.

 

[jmdrake]

You don't need to convince me that Giuliani is bad. The whole point was that as bad as Giuliani is Kucinich is worse. I was using Giuliani to smear Kucinch not trying to praise Giuliani by comparing him to Kucinich. I know Giuliani's views on gun control and other issues and Kucinich would screw us in similar ways but leave a worthless military that couldn't defend us from all the people who hate us for all our "peace keeping". Being against warrantless wire tapping won't mean jack if we can't defend ourselves because our military has been dismantled.

But your point is WRONG! Kucinich is NOT worse than Giuliani and you are being dishonest to continue to try to say that! EVERYTHING bad that you can say about Kucinich can be said about Giuliani. But there are bad things you can say about Giuliani that do NOT apply to Kucinich!

Finally, being a part of the Ron Paul campaign you should know that such smear campaigns are inherently unfair and beneath anyone who is a part of the "revolution". After all people have used similar smear campaigns against Dr. Paul.

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[jmdrake]

Communism 2012

You mean like wanting forced universal healthcare? Oh wait a minute, that's not Dennis Kucinich. That's Mitt Romney!

I give DK props for having the guts to stand up against his own party with regards to the illegal war in Bosnia just like Ron Paul stood up against his own party on the illegal war in Iraq. Note that in both illegal wars Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich were on the same side.

It's no accident that the MSM has ignored and/or attacked DK like it has RP. Nobody wants an honest debate about how these unjustified wars are NOT making America any safer.

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[Wendi]

What exactly do Kucinich and Paul have in common? It certainly isn't the message of FREEDOM

 

[jmdrake]

I would vote for a bucket of "puke" before I would vote for Dennis Kucinich. A socialist is a socialist, is a socialist. Thank God the Ron Paul campaign will decide if Kucinich will participate in the march and the decision will not be left to a bunch of Kucinich stooges posting on this thread.

IMO this march is all about the Constitution -- period. Socialists and neocon fascists are not welcome.

I'm not telling you to vote for Kucinich. I'm saying that it's blatantly unfair to compare Dennis Kucinich, who is RIGHT on MANY issues, to Giuliani, who is wrong on EVERY issue! Being dishonest and attacking someone that has done a lot to advance causes Ron Paul believes in is NOT the way to build a winning coalition. Will DK be able to unite the RP revolution in 2012? Of course not. But a lot of people in the RP revolution respect DK and for good reasons. I doubt anybody respects Giuliani.

Building coalitions is about issues. DK is right on the following issues:

* NAFTA
* Homeland Security
* Patriot Act
* Torture
* Domestic wiretapping
* War in Iraq
* Bosnia war (Ancient history I know. But it's important to note he was willing to buck his own party).

If we don't get beyond stupid party labels and innuendo we'll never get anywhere. It's funny how most have not actually mentioned much in the way of issues as to why they don't like DK. It's all gut reaction, slogans, false comparisons and "isms". I've seen the same crap on "peace coalition" forums with people irrationally attacking Ron Paul. It's about the issues...it's about the issues....it's about the issues!

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[jmdrake]

What exactly do Kucinich and Paul have in common? It certainly isn't the message of FREEDOM

Building coalitions is about issues. DK is right on the following issues:

* NAFTA
* Homeland Security
* Patriot Act
* Torture
* Domestic wiretapping
* War in Iraq
* Bosnia war (Ancient history I know. But it's important to note he was willing to buck his own party).

Really your statement is not much different from a neocon attacking Ron Paul for "wanting to give in to the terrorists" or a feminist attacking Ron Paul for "wanting to control women's bodies". If you have specific things you don't like about DK then list them out. Otherwise it's just noise. I can say specifically why I choose RP over DK and that was gun control. But on the key issues that are the MOST important to me they are the same. Personally I think the "message of freedom" includes things like being against NAFTA, Homeland Security, Patriot Act, torture, domestic wiretapping, illegal wars etc. Yes there are other issues too. But those are very important.

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[jmdrake]

Breaking news for the DK haters! He's come out against the Federal Reserve! Hmmmm....now who else do we know that has taken that position?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=120617&highlight=dennis+kucinich

Regards,

John M. Drake