Kokesh debates the Amazing Atheist

[DamianTV]

38 minutes in - it's going okay - moreover what's going on is you can tell Athiest is speaking more, won't let adam really finish what he's saying - and the moderator leans towards athiest's side, as he explains to adam what he thinks athiest is saying and meaning.

Adam is being cordial and Athiest is kinda rude.

Athiests are pretty used to being on the defensive because many feel they are constantly being attacked, and probably have in turn, started doing the attacking. I will point out that it doesnt matter which side of the fence you stand on, when debates become that heated, it is everyones responsibility to protect the Freedom Of and From Religion for Both Sides. If we dont make a world that both can live it, we end up with a world where neither side can live in peace.

 

[jonhowe]

Not all atheists are statist, just for the record.
I would know, being one who isn't.

 

[ninepointfive]

Yeah - since Adam was respectful, any audience who sees this will know TAA to be a jerk and therefore this debate is a win.

 

[Tankbot85]

I hate him too and we share the same "religion".

I am an atheist as well and he is just a Douche. I used to subscribe to him on youtube but after a while i saw that he was another big government crony who uses atheism to put forth stupid ideas.

 

[Todd]

I couldn't listen to TAA past 8 minutes.

Adam wins.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Moderator looks like Patton Oswald and Drew Carey had a child.

Withholding judgement about TAA's appearance and demeanor, I will only comment on the intellectual arguments.

Question 1: Afghanistan, wars:
Kokesh: Lines on maps don't make things philosophically different. The govt isn't above moral rules of individuals. "War is a Racket"
Host: "Isolationist?"
Kokesh: NO, I'm a non-interventionist, the govt and its controls are the isolationists because they limit free trade between individuals
TAA: Excuses performance due to illness. Then chides Kokesh for using the "meme" of coercion, prefers a "pragmatic" approach. Doesn't like wars on ideas (e.g. drugs, hatred, etc), but "we need to be pragmatic against terrorism."

Kokesh: so lets hit the philosophy
TAA: But you say it's about "size" of govt. It's not size, because slave-owners weren't as big as govt.
Kokesh: It's not size, it's the nature of govt.
TAA: It's not size, it's the nature of violence. If we got rid of govt, there would still be bad people. How would we have gotten rid of slavery w/o govt?!?
Kokesh: It's about de-institutionalizing the violence.
Host/TAA: Well, how do we get from here to there?!?

Kokesh: It's not about a specific plan, it's about getting rid of institutionalized violence. It's the same as asking "who'll pick all the cotton?"

TAA: How do we get authority to punish muderers? How do we get people to change their minds about welfare and roads and crap? Rants and raves

Kokesh tries to explain.

TAA interrupts: libertarians want corporations to enslave workers! Ron Paul said that a molested woman on the job should just quit! Child Labor! Industrial revolution was bad without rules!

Kokesh: tries to explain

TAA interrupts: Govt creates ORDER! Your Jefferson Memorial dance was stupid!

Kokesh: It was a protest against a Judge's order that wasn't meant to necessarily get anyone arrested.

I can't keep going. TAA just rants and doesn't listen. He and the host just come back to "How" and "Govt is Good"

This is actually an extremely good summary of everything up to 19:43.