Killing babies no different from abortion, experts say

[jbauer]

Maybe with six or sixteen or sixty more ABORTION IS MURDER threads, the Republican Party Takeover contingent of the Liberty Moovement can become the straightforward ANTI ABORTION wing, and we can clarify whether "social conservatism" broadens or shrinks the 'R' base.

I've always been pro-life. I just figure that abortion isn't going to change regardless of how much pressure each side puts onto it. Thus there are bigger fish to fry. That being the case it doesn't change my views on it. Abortion after conception is murder.

 

[cheapseats]

No this thread just show's why extremes = crap. I can come off just as crazy as these two on any issue if I take it to the same extreme.

Non interventionism? We need to build a plastic bubble around us!..

pro life? we need to have people watching the mother 24/7 after conception to make sure she does noting to harm the fetus!

Gay marriage? We need to let pigs marry humans!

Against gay marriage? We need to put gay people in jail!

Yep.

All your doing here is appealing to the extremes.

Appealing to (one might say GOOSING) extremes keeps the numbers small. Impassioned, but small. Intense enough to SEND MORE MONEY ad infinitum, but never large enough to "settle" the issue by getting their way.

FIGHTING is more profitable than peace, for the Deciders. If broad masses were gettin' along swell, on what basis would politicians issue urgent pleas for donations?

 

[mad cow]

Yep.




Appealing to (one might say GOOSING) extremes keeps the numbers small. Impassioned, but small. Intense enough to SEND MORE MONEY ad infinitum, but never large enough to "settle" the issue by getting their way.

FIGHTING is more profitable than peace, for the Deciders. If broad masses were gettin' along swell, on what basis would politicians issue urgent pleas for donations?

Parents should be allowed to have their newborn babies killed.
That is the position of the 'experts' in the article.Did you not read it?Do you not consider this position to be extreme?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Only a matter of time.

The very old and very young first.

Whoo, I do not want any part of this future coming down the pike, talk about a fucking nightmare.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Indeed...

If I ever have kids and they ever touch them somebody is going to die....

 

[Brett85]

I completely agree with these people. There's no difference between killing a baby in the womb and killing a baby outside the womb. At least they have a consistent position.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Only a matter of time.

The very old and very young first.

Whoo, I do not want any part of this future coming down the pike, talk about a fucking nightmare.

And the disabled, of course. The People shall be of, by, and for The State. The weak cannot serve The State properly, and must be disappeared.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Parents should be allowed to have their newborn babies killed.
That is the position of the 'experts' in the article.Did you not read it?Do you not consider this position to be extreme?

Forty years ago, the idea of two homosexual men getting married would have been "extreme".

They just float these ideas out there, (which when you think about, these ideas are really just old ideas, reformulated) until critical mass is reached.

Once the initial premise is granted and accepted, it then becomes just a matter of time.

 

[Christian Liberty]

And the disabled, of course. The People shall be of, by, and for The State. The weak cannot serve The State properly, and must be disappeared.

And every day I feel like more and more of an anarchist... I want a happy medium of extremely limited government (Don't know if that's "Medium" but whatever) but if it comes down to throwing out the baby with the bathwater, or drowning in the bathwater... yeah... I know which side I'm on and it isn't theirs.

 

[Anti Federalist]

And the disabled, of course. The People shall be of, by, and for The State. The weak cannot serve The State properly, and must be disappeared.

Very good, citizen, this is correct.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I completely agree with these people. There's no difference between killing a baby in the womb and killing a baby outside the womb. At least they have a consistent position.

I agree as well.

This is a logical and consistent progression of what is already established as a "right".

 

[Anti Federalist]

And every day I feel like more and more of an anarchist... I want a happy medium of extremely limited government (Don't know if that's "Medium" but whatever) but if it comes down to throwing out the baby with the bathwater, or drowning in the bathwater... yeah... I know which side I'm on and it isn't theirs.

And that's all that anybody needs to know.

Arguing about the minutiae of philosophy, is, at this point, like arguing whether this train we are on is bound for Bergen/Belsen or Auschwitz.

 

[Noob]

They are pushing hard to get China's One-child Policy adopted in order to save the world..

 

[cheapseats]

Parents should be allowed to have their newborn babies killed.
That is the position of the 'experts' in the article.Did you not read it?Do you not consider this position to be extreme?

I read it. It is extreme. It emanates from England. LOTS of extreme stuff comes from "experts" in LOTS of countries.

Abortion Hysterics are CHERRY PICKING gruesomeness, an ironic consistency of THEIRS.

 

[Christian Liberty]

And that's all that anybody needs to know.

Arguing about the minutiae of philosophy, is, at this point, like arguing whether this train we are on is bound for Bergen/Belsen or Auschwitz.

Its honestly also convenient in real life conversations, it would be a waste of a lot of time to explain to people how private defense agencies work and whatnot (I do sort of understand the ideal behind it although I'm not sure its totally realistic) when what we ought to be doing is getting people who are not libertarian in any sense skeptical about extreme government excess and into some kind of limited government position (Or purely anarchist position, it doesn't matter.)

+1.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I read it. It is extreme. It emanates from England. LOTS of extreme stuff comes from "experts" in LOTS of countries.

Abortion Hysterics are CHERRY PICKING gruesomeness, an ironic consistency of THEIRS.

I'd hardly call being opposed to enshrining "infanticide" as a civil right "hysterics".

 

[Christian Liberty]

Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice (Goldwater.)

Anti-infanticide is pro-liberty...

 

[Philosophy_of_Politics]

Liberty exists in the past, present, and future. To deny the unborn their future, is the greatest infringement of life and liberty.

 

[sailingaway]

More at link.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...s-no-different-from-abortion-experts-say.html

These are the people being put in charge of our death panels .... every country's death panals...

babies don't count and old people are now useless mouths.

'ethicist'.... I don't believe this word means what they think it means....

When govt forces people to pay their health care money into government, and mis manages it, these people become sadly relevant.

 

[jbauer]

They are pushing hard to get China's One-child Policy adopted in order to save the world..

No they're not. To have power you need people that give it to you. Now they may want more of their type of people instead of ours but thats their problem. The articles point is to point out that there is virtually no difference between a fetus in the womb and a newborn outside the womb.