Keystone Pipeline Thwarted by Individual Property Rights, For Now

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Keystone Pipeline Thwarted by Individual Property Rights, For Now

http://reason.com/blog/2014/02/24/keystone-pipeline-thwarted-by-individual

Last week, a judge in Nebraska ruled a law that permitted the Keystone XL pipeline to run through the state was invalid. The Public Service Commission, not the governor, should have made the decision to approve the pipeline’s route, which required the use of eminent domain to force some local property owners to hand over their land to the company building the pipeline.

Tim Carney of the Washington Examiner points out that eminent domain is not part of the discussion for the left or the right, and that in fact:

To many conservatives, Keystone opposition reeks of unyielding liberal opposition to development, a stance conservatives and libertarians deride as NIMBY: Not In My Back Yard.

But here’s the thing: NIMBYism is problematic from a free-enterprise view only if it’s used metaphorically. If somebody else is trying to build something literally through your back yard, shouldn’t you have the right to say no?

And from north to south, that’s exactly what Keystone XL’s owners are doing: working with state governments to use eminent domain and force reluctant landowners to allow the pipeline through their property.


Read Carney’s entire column here. The apparent indifference of many mainstream liberals and conservatives to the property rights aspect of the Keystone pipeline issue betrays a lack of interest in protecting property rights. Politicians and “activists” with ideas premised on the power of the state to advance their agendas, after all, tend to deploy the language of rights only when the application of those rights fits their specific value system. The unequivocal rights of individuals to own and control their property, and individual rights in general, are not politically expedient ones for coveters of state power.
 
I don't get it. There has to be a lot of land that is either public already or owned by railroads that they could use.
 
I don't get it. There has to be a lot of land that is either public already or owned by railroads that they could use.

Yeah but that would require more pipe and elbows. They'd rather steamroll over us in a straight line.
 
"Thwarted?" Or "In negotiation?" Property owners can set their price. The company can decide if the price is worth routing around. There shouldn't be a reason for government to be involved.
 
"Thwarted?" Or "In negotiation?" Property owners can set their price. The company can decide if the price is worth routing around. There shouldn't be a reason for government to be involved.

Some folks don't want a pipeline on their property at any price.

That's when government steps in and sends men with guns to take it.
 
230,000,000 acres in Federal land.

Nope. Small fry thinking. Every square foot is owned by a local or state government which in turn is owned by a federal government. No individual owns anything. A serf can plant. The yield must go to the knight. Who must figure his givings to the Duke. Who must figure his givings to the King.
 
Comprehensive solution

What is left out of this is NAFTA, just as GATT is left out when discussing gas well fracking. Those two treaties are treason.

Because that is so, situations like the BP spill in the gulf are handled very deceptively to prevent people from noticing that US law, state law means nothing when GATT is in authority.

Believe it or not, environmental organizations are in on this, or incredibly stupid.

GATT and NAFTA usurps US law in US territory. Sure, the 10th amendment will slow it down, but the circuit courts and the Supreme Court are now concealing treason and no one can get the word out exposing them.

If the landowner wants too much or it is too expensive to route around, then The judges decision is reversed on appeal and no one is the wiser. The land owner has to accept the ptice determined bu the eminent domain hearings. Business continues as usual without the treason flag getting raised.

The biggest problem is that free speech is abridged, so no one knows the truth on these vital matters that, by attrition, will determine our survival.

So endless posts on endless problems seems functional, but when the points I've brought up here, which are not ever discussed because they are not known, problems just do not matter. Solution matters.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...h-Constitutional-Intent&p=5431250#post5431250
 
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Nope. Small fry thinking. Every square foot is owned by a local or state government which in turn is owned by a federal government. No individual owns anything. A serf can plant. The yield must go to the knight. Who must figure his givings to the Duke. Who must figure his givings to the King.
I understand this but truth be told, that number so amazed me to learn I feel obligated to add it into any remotely relevant conversation.

Some here, after all, feel it not to be a crime. (the Federal government grabbing land)

230,000,000 acres of incredibly fruitful land. While a good portion are hungry and starving; homeless. This is criminal.

Such bastardized redistribution efforts, barons given 1,000 acres of Federally protected land, the lands ruined by said Federally "protected" land disallowing of logging and the overgrowth; forest fires. The premise of such actions utterly destroy-able. And much more.

I know you know what I am referring to but this post was for those who don't: 230,000,000 acres of land was seized by the federal government. Squandered.
 
I don't get it. There has to be a lot of land that is either public already or owned by railroads that they could use.

What? Use a lord's or kmight's land when there are plenty of serfs about? You must be joking.
 
Cartoon misses on, they forgot to add; "Buying Off Courts and Judges, state and federal" They will get to them all and personal and property rights will be trumped. There is no rule of law when all of government is bought.

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Keystone Pipeline Thwarted by Individual Property Rights, For Now

http://reason.com/blog/2014/02/24/keystone-pipeline-thwarted-by-individual

Last week, a judge in Nebraska ruled a law that permitted the Keystone XL pipeline to run through the state was invalid. The Public Service Commission, not the governor, should have made the decision to approve the pipeline’s route, which required the use of eminent domain to force some local property owners to hand over their land to the company building the pipeline.

Tim Carney of the Washington Examiner points out that eminent domain is not part of the discussion for the left or the right, and that in fact:

To many conservatives, Keystone opposition reeks of unyielding liberal opposition to development, a stance conservatives and libertarians deride as NIMBY: Not In My Back Yard.

But here’s the thing: NIMBYism is problematic from a free-enterprise view only if it’s used metaphorically. If somebody else is trying to build something literally through your back yard, shouldn’t you have the right to say no?

And from north to south, that’s exactly what Keystone XL’s owners are doing: working with state governments to use eminent domain and force reluctant landowners to allow the pipeline through their property.


Read Carney’s entire column here. The apparent indifference of many mainstream liberals and conservatives to the property rights aspect of the Keystone pipeline issue betrays a lack of interest in protecting property rights. Politicians and “activists” with ideas premised on the power of the state to advance their agendas, after all, tend to deploy the language of rights only when the application of those rights fits their specific value system. The unequivocal rights of individuals to own and control their property, and individual rights in general, are not politically expedient ones for coveters of state power.


Bump.
 
Yesterday we were upset that the pipeline permit was being pulled, today we're mad that the pipeline is STILL going to be ran through Native land and others' private property. I'm so confused.
 
Yesterday we were upset that the pipeline permit was being pulled, today we're mad that the pipeline is STILL going to be ran through Native land and others' private property. I'm so confused.

This is an old thread, from a time long ago when this forum discussed issues like this seriously and people could see both sides.

Perhaps not insignificantly, it's also from a time *before* Phase 3 of the Keystone Pipeline, which extended it to the Gulf of Mexico (which was the main point for it) had already been completed, which it was in 2017. If I understand correctly the current debate is no longer about being able to get the oil to the Gulf, but just whether or not to add another route through Montana, South Dakota, and Nebraska that will shorten it.
 
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Yesterday we were upset that the pipeline permit was being pulled, today we're mad that the pipeline is STILL going to be ran through Native land and others' private property. I'm so confused.

As already noted this thread is years old now.

I'm generally opposed to eminent domain takings.

I'm especially opposed to eminent domain takings for private business profit.

But now the pipeline is built, functioning and mostly completed, people and businesses rely it.

And one man, by executive fiat, has shut it all down, rendering it all useless.

Fuck you, fuck your investment, fuck your job, fuck your need for reliable cheap energy, fuck off entirely.

It is the threat of this exact sort of executive order that the new regime has stated they will enact, that has killed new investment in my area of the energy sector and has rendered me pretty much unemployed.
 
But now the pipeline is built, functioning and mostly completed, people and businesses rely it.

And one man, by executive fiat, has shut it all down, rendering it all useless.


You're saying he shut down the already functioning pipeline? What's your source for that?
 
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