Kent Sorenson pleads guilty to accepting payments to switch support

[extortion17]

. . . We need to find out who paid him so they aren't working for Rand in 2016.

great idea . . .
even make it into a watergate-type scandal jus' to keep the Woodward and Bernstein types busy during WW III -
which will be well underway by the January 2017 inauguration of the 45th President of these United States

oh, and welcome to twentynine palms . . .
enjoy your brief stay here before your boots are trampling in the arid Levant soil and sand to fight ISIL

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[Galileo Galilei]

Anybody else sending fundraising emails telling supporters there was a delegate strategy. It was a lie. Simply to drag supporters along, to continue to milk them for money.
Sending emails stating, "Every single dollar will go toward winning this race, putting Ron Paul in the White House, and taking our country back." was a lie.
Ron Paul 2012 agreed as far back as February 2012 to not attack Mitt Romney due to a threat from Romney's campaign, and Ron Paul 2012 didn't let supporters know about that decision (though it was obvious to some of us during the campaign) until Doug Wead was interviewed about it at the RNC.

sounds like a strategy disagreement, not a lie.

 

[kylejack]

Lying about what? Who was lying? Sorenson is the one who lied and caused the false FEC report to be written. And Ron Paul 2012 denying a bribe is true because it is not a bribe to hire a state senator for your campaign.

Ron Paul said in a Fox News interview Sorenson wasn't paid. He was. The campaign published on their letterhead a statement from a Bachmann employee that Sorenson wasn't paid and wasn't motivated by financial incentive. This was a lie and he was. Lies lies lies.

 

[kylejack]

Another weird thing is that Bachmann knew about it right away, Sorenson told her it appears. This is inexplicable.

Sorenson is an idiot, no doubt. He told her he got a better offer, it seems.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

Ron Paul said in a Fox News interview Sorenson wasn't paid. He was. The campaign published on their letterhead a statement from a Bachmann employee that Sorenson wasn't paid and wasn't motivated by financial incentive. This was a lie and he was. Lies lies lies.

He said he wasn't paid or he said he wasn't bribed?

 

[Galileo Galilei]

Sorenson is an idiot, no doubt. He told her he got a better offer, it seems.

Sorenson = IDIOT.

 

[kylejack]

He said he wasn't paid or he said he wasn't bribed?

"She alleges that he said that your campaign was paying him to jump ship. Simple question, did your campaign, or anyone connected to your campaign, or anyone speaking on behalf of it, or any third party vendor, did any of them offer money to Kent Sorenson to come on board your campaign?"

Ron: "No, and if she has the evidence she should bring it forth, because if she makes charges like that she should be able to defend it, but no, that did not happen."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH3Dd4CfJLg#t=8m43s

 

[Galileo Galilei]

"She alleges that he said that your campaign was paying him to jump ship. Simple question, did your campaign, or anyone connected to your campaign, or anyone speaking on behalf of it, or any third party vendor, did any of them offer money to Kent Sorenson to come on board your campaign?"

Ron: "No, and if she has the evidence she should bring it forth, because if she makes charges like that she should be able to defend it, but no, that did not happen."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH3Dd4CfJLg#t=8m43s

OK, so that means Ron did not have the evidence then. There was a plant deep inside the campaign attempting to sabotage it.

 

[kylejack]

OK, so that means Ron did not have the evidence then. There was a plant deep inside the campaign attempting to sabotage it.

Considering they were able to send Sorenson $80K, probably someone pretty high.

 

[jjdoyle]

sounds like a strategy disagreement, not a lie.

No. You can't claim there is a delegate strategy, and that you need funds to run ads in California and Texas, and then never do so.
You can't claim there is some magic delegate strategy, and then have a defense of an endorsement of Mitt Romney on your campaign site, BEFORE the convention.

Ron Paul 2012 agreed in February 2012, before Michigan, to not attack Mitt Romney. In February 2012, Ron Paul 2012 should have closed shop. Like many campaigns before it. The dishonest, lying, corrupt campaign, kept dragging supporters along though, not just wasting their money, but also their time.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

Considering they were able to send Sorenson $80K, probably someone pretty high.

No, the money was laundered to hide it from the higher ups. It was broken into small pieces.

 

[kylejack]

No, the money was laundered to hide it from the higher ups. It was broken into small pieces.

The alternative theory is that the money was laundered to hide it from the FEC.

 

[New York For Paul]

That extra million dollars sitting in the campaign today could have won Iowa or New Hampshire.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

No. You can't claim there is a delegate strategy, and that you need funds to run ads in California and Texas, and then never do so.
You can't claim there is some magic delegate strategy, and then have a defense of an endorsement of Mitt Romney on your campaign site, BEFORE the convention.

Ron Paul 2012 agreed in February 2012, before Michigan, to not attack Mitt Romney. In February 2012, Ron Paul 2012 should have closed shop. Like many campaigns before it. The dishonest, lying, corrupt campaign, kept dragging supporters along though, not just wasting their money, but also their time.

As some have postulated, the Paul Inc. decision to use Ron Paul's candidacies to build a broad, longer-term base for Rand's eventual campaign may have been made as early as 2007 (or certainly, by post-2008). The whole bait and switch of post February 2012, where donations were still asked for the CAMPAIGN, was done to actually build up the infrastructure for the Paul Inc. machine for the years after. This in turn is similar to the mid 2008 scenario where funds were still raised or not spent for the CAMPAIGN, then converted into the early kiddy for Campaign for Liberty.

I don't mind the Paul team created CFL per se, or wanted to build the Paul machine long term. What stinks is the bait and switch---supporters should have been cleanly told in February 2008 that the campaign was really OVER, and then given a choice about having their campaign donations converted into launching CFL. Supporters should have been cleanly told in February 2012 that the campaign was really OVER, and then given a choice about having their campaign donations converted into launching Rand's run in 2015-2016. Diverting what was intended to be funds for a current campaign into early money for future endeavors discredits the Paul team, who apparently did not trust their own movement enough to level with them upfront about what they wanted to use the funds for.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

The alternative theory is that the money was laundered to hide it from the FEC.

That's true, too, but Sorenson already plead guilty to that.

 

[kylejack]

That's true, too, but Sorenson already plead guilty to that.

The thing about criminal conspiracies is that they involve more than one criminal.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

The thing about criminal conspiracies is that they involve more than one criminal.

Sorenson has not plead to any conspiracy.

 

[kylejack]

Sorenson has not plead to any conspiracy.

He pleaded down in return for immunity on other charges. It will be interesting to see what's in the sealed documents.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

He pleaded down in return for immunity on other charges. It will be interesting to see what's in the sealed documents.

The problem with that is that good snitches roll over BEFORE they are charged. By pleading guilty it makes Sorenson worthless witness. The fact that he lied to investigators means he is an unwilling snitch and has already made statements beneficial to Benton.

 

[kylejack]

The problem with that is that good snitches roll over BEFORE they are charged. By pleading guilty it makes Sorenson worthless witness. The fact that he lied to investigators means he is an unwilling snitch and has already made statements beneficial to Benton.

I'm not saying he's smart, but he may be in possession of evidence.