Kasich and Cruz apparently have a deal to stop Trump in 3 states

CPUd · Apr 24, 2016

First statement:

Response:

Note- the IN delegates are going to be a majority Kasich supporters if a second ballot happens.

Petar · Apr 24, 2016

Surreal.

Whatever happened to just running for office in order to get yourself elected?

Teaming up against Trump just makes them look like losers on an individual level.

CPUd · Apr 24, 2016

If Trump wins every delegate on Tuesday, and Kasich/Cruz shut him out in NM, OR, IN, Trump would need a very large share of the delegates in CA. This is what it looks like if he wins 100% of the CA delegates:

hells_unicorn · Apr 25, 2016

It won't matter, this whole thing is over. The only thing that Kasich will accomplish with a move like this would be to preclude himself from a VP nod.

69360 · Apr 25, 2016

hells_unicorn said:
It won't matter, this whole thing is over. The only thing that Kasich will accomplish with a move like this would be to preclude himself from a VP nod.

Oh it matters. If this works Trump has a low chance of 1237 and isn't going to win on a second ballot.

I'm for anyone but Trump at this point.

CPUd · Apr 25, 2016

You'll know it's over if you see Mike Pence endorse Trump over Cruz.

enhanced_deficit · Apr 25, 2016

69360 said:
I'm for anyone but Trump at this point.

Do you really see even confirmed SWCs Hillary / her last supervisor Obama as better than theoratical megalomaniac Trump?

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Pastor: Obama a puppet of bankers

VIDEODROME · Apr 25, 2016

Petar said:
Surreal.

Whatever happened to just running for office in order to get yourself elected?

Teaming up against Trump just makes them look this losers on an individual level.

This should be something like a Runoff system or process of elimination, not everyone at the same time.

An interesting argument I've heard is how winners are chosen from multiple people at the same time in an event like the Olympics. It's done with scoring, not votes from the judges. The person with the highest average score wins and there is no such thing as a so-called Spoiler. I think a scoring system or Range Vote would have been better for something like this Primary.

CPUd · Apr 25, 2016

VIDEODROME said:
This should be something like a Runoff system or process of elimination, not everyone at the same time.

An interesting argument I've heard is how winners are chosen from multiple people at the same time in an event like the Olympics. It's done with scoring, not votes from the judges. The person with the highest average score wins and there is no such thing as a so-called Spoiler. I think a scoring system or Range Vote would have been better for something like this Primary.

Or give each candidate a bulldozer:

Jeffster · Apr 25, 2016

I'm not sure what effect these announcements will have on the voters in the upcoming states or what the actual deal made is (Kasich as VP? Cruz promising to oppose rule 40 and allowing Kasich's name to be put in nomination?) but I do hope they succeed.

hells_unicorn · Apr 25, 2016

69360 said:
Oh it matters. If this works Trump has a low chance of 1237 and isn't going to win on a second ballot.

I'm for anyone but Trump at this point.

It won't work, and even if it did, Trump will grab plenty of unbound delegates during the first round, my phone has been ringing off the hook plugging Trump's delegates in my part of Pennsylvania. The air of inevitability has already taken hold, regardless of how much some want to delude themselves. You can be anyone but Trump to your heart's content, this is a matter of physics, ideology went out the window several months ago for the masses.

CPUd said:
You'll know it's over if you see Mike Pence endorse Trump over Cruz.

If Cruz wins any state from here on out other than Indiana, it'll be a miracle, and I'm not fully sold on Cruz winning Indiana after the whipping he's about to take in the rest of the east coast.

I'm not happy about Trump being nominated, I'm not voting for him, but this thing is over, time to find a new hobby.

LibertyEagle · Apr 25, 2016

69360 said:
Oh it matters. If this works Trump has a low chance of 1237 and isn't going to win on a second ballot.

I'm for anyone but Trump at this point.

Can't wait for the Trans Pacific Partnership, eh?

Zippyjuan · Apr 25, 2016

enhanced_deficit said:
Do you really see even confirmed SWCs Hillary / her last supervisor Obama as better than theoratical megalomaniac Trump?

Pastor: Obama a puppet of bankers

Once the Republicans settle on a candidate (most likely Trump at this point), it will switch to Anybody But Clinton. (Also watch for Trump to start changing positions on issues at that time as well).

CPUd · Apr 25, 2016

hells_unicorn said:
It won't work, and even if it did, Trump will grab plenty of unbound delegates during the first round, my phone has been ringing off the hook plugging Trump's delegates in my part of Pennsylvania. The air of inevitability has already taken hold, regardless of how much some want to delude themselves. You can be anyone but Trump to your heart's content, this is a matter of physics, ideology went out the window several months ago for the masses.

If Cruz wins any state from here on out other than Indiana, it'll be a miracle, and I'm not fully sold on Cruz winning Indiana after the whipping he's about to take in the rest of the east coast.

I'm not happy about Trump being nominated, I'm not voting for him, but this thing is over, time to find a new hobby.

The 'air of inevitability' is the messaging coming from the Trump people via Trump-friendly media outlets like Drudge and Fox News; they are trying to create momentum. Since Christie and Rubio dropped out, it's not a surprise that Trump would win big in NY and will take all the states on Tuesday. Cruz will take NE, MT, SD and possibly WA. Trump will easily win the popular vote in WV, but could lose all the delegates because of the way his campaign mishandled the ballot issues. Trump needs to get a majority from IN to have any real chance of clinching before the convention. He won't be getting 100% of the delegates from CA, he is probably not going to be able to submit a full slate before the deadline.

Show a realistic way Trump gets to 1237 before the RNC. And if he gets there without a majority, I only know of 25-30 unbound so far who will go for him. He needs 30/54 more unbound out of PA + winning the SC challenge to keep his 50 there, or this will go to a second ballot.

CPUd · Apr 25, 2016

I can also say that several of the people on the Trump slate they are pushing in PA are known Cruz supporters.

mrsat_98 · Apr 25, 2016

Hitlery is lovin it.

SpiritOf1776_J4 · Apr 25, 2016

Maybe they are trying to prop up their chances so the gambling odds will go back and their backers can cover their bets?

I looked at the odds after the New York win, and you can't place a bet on Donald Trump winning the GOP nomination that pays anything. All the casinos think Trump is going to win.

johnwk · Apr 25, 2016

Cruz and Kasich, two Establishment peas in a pod

I see Senator Cruz is uniting with amnesty and trade promotion authority loving Kasich to take down Trump. See Cruz and Kasich unite to take down Donald Trump

”Ted Cruz and John Kasich have joined forces in a concerted effort to deny Donald Trump the delegates needed to win the Republican nomination on the first ballot at the July convention.”

Seems that birds of a feather do flock together.

JWK

To support John Kasich, Hillary Clinton or Senator Cruz, is to support our Global Governance Crowd and their WTO, NAFTA, GATT, and CAFTA, all used to circumvent America First trade policies, while fattening the fortunes of international corporate giants who have no allegiance to America or any nation.

CaptUSA · Apr 25, 2016

Zippyjuan said:
Once the Republicans settle on a candidate (most likely Trump at this point), it will switch to Anybody But Clinton. (Also watch for Trump to start changing positions on issues at that time as well).

Lol - have you not been paying attention? He's been changing his positions all along. (easy to do when your only real position is that you think people should want you to be President)

I don't know if the Cruz/Kasich thing will work... They should have started it earlier, if they really wanted it to be effective. I do hope it works. I don't really care which idiot the GOP selects as their nominee, but I want them to fight it out in the convention. I expect each ballot to be more entertaining than the last. In the end, Hillary will be President, but isn't that what this season's primary show was all about?

I'll be very disappointed if they let Trump get the 1237 on the first ballot. How boring. The ratings will be much higher with a "fight".

CPUd · Apr 25, 2016

SpiritOf1776_J4 said:
Maybe they are trying to prop up their chances so the gambling odds will go back and their backers can cover their bets?

I looked at the odds after the New York win, and you can't place a bet on Donald Trump winning the GOP nomination that pays anything. All the casinos think Trump is going to win.

They should have gotten in on the night of the WI primary.

Kasich and Cruz apparently have a deal to stop Trump in 3 states

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