Kash Patel doesn't think a warrant should be required to spy on Americans

[Invisible Man]

You've peddled this garbage before.The
Warrant is required to prove reasonableness, any unwarranted search is presumed unreasonable.

The point was about what the Constitution says. Not what one might presume.

 

[familydog]

I can't believe the guy who didn't campaign on civil liberties would nominate a non-civil libertarian to be FBI director.

The guy is an Indian who said the American dream belongs to everyone around the world. His position on warrants is the least of my concerns.

 

[dannno]

Dude most of the forum thinks you shouldn't need to a warrant to inspect womens genitals.

Without bodily autonomy what is left?

Do you ever notice you are wrong about everything?

 

[dannno]

So Trumps FBI pick supports the NSA spying.
His NDI pick supports assassination of Soleimani and doesn't think Snowden deserves clemency.
His HHS pick believes that Warp Speed was good and is pro-vaccine.

...and people who still support these people think they are only lying to "get in power" where all the political pressure and compromises magically disappear.

...because they definitely were genuine when they were telling us these things before they joined Trump and would never lie to us. They're just lying to the deep state to get in power where they'll do a 180 and turn on the deep state they've compromised with.

Just trying to make sure I'm keeping up.

If Trump picked the person you like there is a 0% chance they would be confirmed.

 

[dannno]

Leave the kids and the women alone.

Don't try to go where you don't belong and nobody will challenge you.

There are zero people on the right who think the government should inspect women's genitals.

There's a thing called a birth certificate that has the sex of the individual. The individual can then get an ID using the birth certificate with the correct sex on the ID. If there is probable cause they went into the wrong bathroom, the police or property owner can ask for their ID.

This is a leftwing talking point that they just made up out of thin air, like everything else.

The last 6 posts or so I've seen from idiom are all completely wrong, leftwing talking points. All they watch is leftwing propaganda, so they get literally everything wrong.

I honestly don't know how people can go through life getting EVERYTHING wrong and getting NOTHING right.. yet I know people on the left who go through life this way.

 

[dannno]

This has been discussed in detail in the confirmation hearings.

Do we need a warrant to track foreign terrorists in real time? That's a separate question. However there are strong arguments that we do not.

What if the foreign terrorist is communicating with a US citizen? Incidentally, we pickup their communications.

The problem is their communications are then stored, and searchable by the US citizen's name in a database.

That is a reform that people like Tulsi Gabbard are working on implementing, and in fact she has tried to implement such a policy when she was in congress. Kash would likely agree with this.

She is a thousand times better than the rest of the swamp creatures. We can bring up the issue, but I wouldn't be complaining too much.

 

[idiom]

Leave the kids and the women alone.

Don't try to go where you don't belong and nobody will challenge you.

Cis women get challenged going into womens bathrooms for not being female enough all the time. Trans men are now apparently supposed to use womens bathrooms despite looking very much like men?

Whats to stop a Cis man pretending to be a trans man to get into a womens bathroom?

The problem is cis men not trans women.

Statists are gonna state.

Time was libertarians protested needing drivers licenses. Now 'libertarians' don't think humans can self organise using a bathroom despite trans people being with us for Millenia.

Be honest with yourself and your insecurities around losing control over women and not get laid on demand.

 

[Invisible Man]

This has been discussed in detail in the confirmation hearings.

Do we need a warrant to track foreign terrorists in real time? That's a separate question. However there are strong arguments that we do not.

What if the foreign terrorist is communicating with a US citizen? Incidentally, we pickup their communications.

The problem is their communications are then stored, and searchable by the US citizen's name in a database.

That is a reform that people like Tulsi Gabbard are working on implementing, and in fact she has tried to implement such a policy when she was in congress. Kash would likely agree with this.

She is a thousand times better than the rest of the swamp creatures. We can bring up the issue, but I wouldn't be complaining too much.

So if someone in the government wants to surveil you, all they have to do is claim you're a foreign terrorist. They don't need to provide anyone with any reason to believe this accusation is true first.

 

[dannno]

So if someone in the government wants to surveil you, all they have to do is claim you're a foreign terrorist. They don't need to provide anyone with any reason to believe this accusation is true first.

If the government has a mechanism to surveil the public, it can certainly be abused, and there should be serious consequences for abusing it. That's why Snowden released the files he did, to show the system was being abused and the government was doing things that were illegal.

That is why Tulsi supported him and that is precisely what she is trying to prevent.

So you can make her your enemy, if you want, but that would be very foolish.

 

[Invisible Man]

If the government has a mechanism to surveil the public, it can certainly be abused, and there should be serious consequences for abusing it. That's why Snowden released the files he did, to show the system was being abused and the government was doing things that were illegal.

That is why Tulsi supported him and that is precisely what she is trying to prevent.

So you can make her your enemy, if you want, but that would be very foolish.

I thought your entire position was that surveilling you wouldn't be an abuse of the system of someone called you a terrorist.

 

[Occam's Banana]

https://x.com/justinamash/status/1885357589338194068

https://x.com/TenthAmendment/status/1885359470655791574

 

[dannno]

I thought your entire position was that surveilling you wouldn't be an abuse of the system of someone called you a terrorist.

Foreign terrorist.. and I didn't say that was my position, I said that's the argument. I don't have a strong opinion about surveilling foreign terrorists.

Pretty sure Rand Paul, maybe even Thomas Massie, might think that in and of itself is ok.

 

[Occam's Banana]

https://x.com/justinamash/status/1885180737659281633

 

[Invisible Man]

Foreign terrorist..

"Foreign terrorist" without due process to determine that someone is a foreign terrorist means everyone. You can't restrict it to foreign terrorists unless you keep in place the means of confirming that the targets are foreign terrorists.

 

[LexEtLibertas]

Dude most of the forum thinks you shouldn't need to a warrant to inspect womens genitals.

Without bodily autonomy what is left?

Right. I choose the bathroom which produces the least amount of social disruption.

When I first was going out en femme, I was unsure how to proceed regarding the public bathroom issue, so I chose the male bathroom. Well, it freaked a guy out, and he asked me, "Ma'am, I guess you didn't see the sign?!" in a concerned manner.

So that helped to seal it for me as to what I should do regarding this.

Whereas I have never had the slightest of issue using the female restrooms.

Nobody cares, actually, lest they be some paranoid schizophrenic. If you look the part and dress the part, then people don't actually pay you much of any notice.

President Donald J. Trump got it right when he was asked about this issue during his first run for president. He said let the private establishments choose how they wish to handle it.

Quite right he was.

Which is all the more reason to abolish government.

Easy peasy.

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Regarding some whacked-out transvestite possibly assaulting a woman in a bathroom, that doesn't make much sense on a lot of grounds. First of all, why the need to dress femininely in order to do that? Second of all, it makes no sense on strategic grounds. If that whacked-out transvestite is just lurking in the women's restroom (which itself is liable to raise alarm, and so blow the attempt), then how does he know if her potential husband or boyfriend isn't patiently waiting outside for his lady to finish her business? In lurking inside, such a would-be assaulter wouldn't know.

Further, women's clothing and stylistic effect doesn't tend to be suitable for assaults. High heals, long nails, long hair, a purse, frilly garments and so forth don't tend to be military-grade assault-wear. If they were, then we should suit-up all our troop in such stylish effects immediately!

No, what an actual assaulter would do is dress in his usual male garments, but wait on the outside. That way he could see if a woman goes into the the bathroom without the company of a man waiting for her on the outside.

And I'm not saying that it's logically impossible that such whacked-out transvestites couldn't exist. They could just as well assault the men's restroom. But them being dressed femininely would offer them no advantage, but only a disadvantage. So in that case you would hope that they would be dressed in high heels, flowing garments, and with long hair. Then that would offer you an advantage in comparison to if they weren't dressed in such a stylistic effect.

And I will say this also: I am a Christian pacifist, and I take my Christian pacifism very seriously. If any assault by a man were to occur in a restroom upon a woman or young one, then you would hope and pray to God Almighty that a hard-lived tranny were there at that moment, because that assaulter is liable to be wrecked. In my case, because I take my Christian pacifism seriously, I would try to maintain that, and in doing so, interpose my body between her and the assaulter while yelling at her to get out and take any children she has with her. If I were to lose my composure, then you wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Do you know how easily those stall doors come off? Very easily they come off. Hey, I worked in demolition, so I know--one of my most satisfying jobs, by the way. (Actually, this occurred when I was in elementary school, in addition to my latter demo work. But who's counting, after all?) And that would provide me a rather ominous weapon.

But thinking all that out isn't likely to occur with the paranoid schizophrenics. Thinking isn't their strong suit, after all.

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Mirrors: https://archive.is/Aamuv , https://www.freezepage.com/1623380815FULZSVTXEA .

The green machine. Was it prophecy? "Of course!", as Edward the Horse would say.

 

[Swordsmyth]

The point was about what the Constitution says. Not what one might presume.

The Constitution says it.
It says that you can't have unreasonable searches, then it covers how to get a warrant to prove the search is reasonable.

You are just a lying tyrant.

 

[Swordsmyth]

There are zero people on the right who think the government should inspect women's genitals.

There's a thing called a birth certificate that has the sex of the individual. The individual can then get an ID using the birth certificate with the correct sex on the ID. If there is probable cause they went into the wrong bathroom, the police or property owner can ask for their ID.

This is a leftwing talking point that they just made up out of thin air, like everything else.

The last 6 posts or so I've seen from idiom are all completely wrong, leftwing talking points. All they watch is leftwing propaganda, so they get literally everything wrong.

I honestly don't know how people can go through life getting EVERYTHING wrong and getting NOTHING right.. yet I know people on the left who go through life this way.

They don't want to not be wrong, they want access to women and children.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Cis women get challenged going into womens bathrooms for not being female enough all the time. Trans men are now apparently supposed to use womens bathrooms despite looking very much like men?

Whats to stop a Cis man pretending to be a trans man to get into a womens bathroom?

The problem is cis men not trans women.

Statists are gonna state.

Time was libertarians protested needing drivers licenses. Now 'libertarians' don't think humans can self organise using a bathroom despite trans people being with us for Millenia.

Be honest with yourself and your insecurities around losing control over women and not get laid on demand.

Nobody else has to accommodate your mental disease.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

It is going to come down to personal responsibility. People will go to the bathroom before leaving home and upon returning. They will choose to not go in public unless absolutely necessary. Overtime bathrooms will probably be single person not community like rooms. Point is if you are concerned, don't go into the public bathroom.

Put a closed sign on all bathrooms and stick porta potties outside in an obscure place.

Maybe we will see the return of the pay toilet. People want to drive in the express lane pay more. If you want to use the privy go into the dungeon or opt to fork out some cash for nicer facility.

Either way people will learn to not rely on public restrooms.

My wife goes out frequently with friends to formal gatherings. I think they wear one outfit and carry their gowns. Then once they arrive at the facility they change into the gowns. Seriously? I think that the expectation of a bathroom to be used for a major changing station of many women and makeup and.... changes the definition of bathroom. My guess is that many women get changed in bathrooms when going to formal events.

Get back to the objective. A place for people to schite or piss when they really have to. Anything more than that should be an upcharge not on the public dime or concern.

 

[Swordsmyth]

It is going to come down to personal responsibility. People will go to the bathroom before leaving home and upon returning. They will choose to not go in public unless absolutely necessary. Overtime bathrooms will probably be single person not community like rooms. Point is if you are concerned, don't go into the public bathroom.

Put a closed sign on all bathrooms and stick porta potties outside in an obscure place.

Maybe we will see the return of the pay toilet. People want to drive in the express lane pay more. If you want to use the privy go into the dungeon or opt to fork out some cash for nicer facility.

Either way people will learn to not rely on public restrooms.

My wife goes out frequently with friends to formal gatherings. I think they wear one outfit and carry their gowns. Then once they arrive at the facility they change into the gowns. Seriously? I think that the expectation of a bathroom to be used for a major changing station of many women and makeup and.... changes the definition of bathroom. My guess is that many women get changed in bathrooms when going to formal events.

Get back to the objective. A place for people to schite or piss when they really have to. Anything more than that should be an upcharge not on the public dime or concern.

Yes, we should all live in a 3rd world hellhole to make lunatics happy, that's in the Constitution somewhere......