Kade's back

:rolleyes: Tell her they are the real thing. Whatever, seriously. Your rebuttals can in now way be construed as academic in anyway, they are childish in the extreme.

YOU asked me to provide diamonds cheaper than the price etc. I did exactly that. You said that would be enough to convince you...

Well look at you reneging... typical. Moving the goal posts fallacy.

Sorry, I should've stated that my wife does not place man made diamonds on the same level as naturally made diamonds. My insurer, would probably say the same. It was a good effort. I just did not make it clear that I was talking about natural diamonds. Sorry, again but it's like saying find me a gun for under $30 and you send me a link to a BB gun. Rather than a shotgun or a rifle.

If you want to consider it reneging go right ahead, but we know that's a bit of a stretch.



You have no right to an economic opinion. Pretty much just like a marxist doesn't. Completely ignorant, and you have so far admitted it.



'Check yaself before ya wreck yaself.' :rolleyes:

Well, maybe, but why would I belive that you do? Because you've thrown a few book titles at me? Maybe if you were the author of those books and were regarded publicly as a pundit I may listen to what you just said. But, yeah I pretty much feel the same way about you.

You can get off that pedestal anytime you want. I certainly don't believe me not being qualified makes you qualified. Try again buddy.





Present facts. :rolleyes: Mere conjecture. ;)

The fundamental principle is; you have an emotional attachment to IP, you think it protects your songs etc. and it's the only way for you to make money. Big fail right there.

Let's say you sign to a recording studio etc. They get the copyright for your songs, OR your voice, like Nancy Cartwright and her Bart Simpson voice. MGM or someone are sueing her / Scientology, because she used the voice to promote Scientology. OR a book publisher owns the copyright on your book as an author; as MANY do.

Years down the track, the company goes bust or it simply refuses to market your material. They don't want to republish your books, so it DIES, it recedes into the ABYSS of non existence. You can't play your own song because you don't own the copyright on it. :rolleyes: You can use the voice you created... it's insane.

What about if you have an opening melody or song or whatever, that apparently closely mirrors someone elses, and they sue you... :rolleyes:

It's fken idiotic. Get over your emotional reasoning, that you think its in your best interest to support IP. It ain't champ. And the sooner you wake up to that, the better you'll be off.

Well for someone who always says go read book or look at this or that, I sent you a link directly to ASCAP so you could familiarize yourself various ways musicians make money. So that If you need actual help understanding things that at least you may have a clue. However, you still do not.

Fisrt off people sign contracts if they deal with major labels. Now personally I'm a much bigger fan of Indie labels. Friends of mine who have signed to big labels pretty much always regretted it. And you're right there is some crappy stuff that happens to a lot of people. But people who sign are those contracts are FOOLS! They deserve what they get. Your attack here is weak. People who lose their rights choose to.

It still doesn't change the fact of me hearing anything reasonable from you on how I would make money as a musician other than well go and perform. Which means you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

People don't get to these levels without investment and time. You tell me how those two things are protected for the individual, in your system, and I'll walk away.

And if your answer well you go off and tour, well then you will have an enemy on this topic forever.

Here's a few ideas. Music in movies, music on television, music in video games, music on the radio, music on any other form of media, hell lets talk about swag too, how about shirts and underwear (:wink: band logos look cool on bikinis), anything that is sold for a profit. Being that someone is using my song to make money, they damn better pay me for it.


You're just afraid of the competition. Figures. :)


Competition? Of someone else playing a song I wrote. PFFFFT. Are you smoking crack? Is the air a little thin down under.

You're a jackass.
and here is why.

I fear no one in my profession. There is no such thing as competition in my profession. For christ sake who the hell am I competeing against in the music field?

I do various things with music. One is write and produce songs. If you don't like it you don't want to buy it then I say who CARES!!!

What part of having someone else take the money off a song you wrote don't you understand?

I'm not stopping someone from performing songs, I'm not stopping someone from writing music. I'm stopping people from making money off my efforts without proper considerations. You want to diminish my efforts? Get Lost!
 
Sorry, I should've stated that my wife does not place man made diamonds on the same level as naturally made diamonds. My insurer, would probably say the same. It was a good effort. I just did not make it clear that I was talking about natural diamonds. Sorry, again but it's like saying find me a gun for under $30 and you send me a link to a BB gun. Rather than a shotgun or a rifle.

If you want to consider it reneging go right ahead, but we know that's a bit of a stretch.

Yes you reneged. There are substitutes. It wasn't a stretch at all. I fulfilled your request entirely.

Well, maybe, but why would I belive that you do? Because you've thrown a few book titles at me? Maybe if you were the author of those books and were regarded publicly as a pundit I may listen to what you just said. But, yeah I pretty much feel the same way about you.

You can get off that pedestal anytime you want. I certainly don't believe me not being qualified makes you qualified. Try again buddy.

Copyright Kills Amazing Music Project

How Government Destroyed Serious Music

On Patenting Music and Patent Hypocrisy

Melancholy Elephants

Famed Chef Failed to Get Patent

Copyrighting Dance Steps--The Death of Choreography

Well for someone who always says go read book or look at this or that, I sent you a link directly to ASCAP so you could familiarize yourself various ways musicians make money. So that If you need actual help understanding things that at least you may have a clue. However, you still do not.

Fisrt off people sign contracts if they deal with major labels. Now personally I'm a much bigger fan of Indie labels. Friends of mine who have signed to big labels pretty much always regretted it. And you're right there is some crappy stuff that happens to a lot of people. But people who sign are those contracts are FOOLS! They deserve what they get. Your attack here is weak. People who lose their rights choose to.

It still doesn't change the fact of me hearing anything reasonable from you on how I would make money as a musician other than well go and perform. Which means you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

People don't get to these levels without investment and time. You tell me how those two things are protected for the individual, in your system, and I'll walk away.

And if your answer well you go off and tour, well then you will have an enemy on this topic forever.

Here's a few ideas. Music in movies, music on television, music in video games, music on the radio, music on any other form of media, hell lets talk about swag too, how about shirts and underwear (:wink: band logos look cool on bikinis), anything that is sold for a profit. Being that someone is using my song to make money, they damn better pay me for it.

YouTube - Michael Masnick The Trent Reznor case study

You just got destroyed. :D

"This is an extraordinary presentation by Michael Masnick on the pheneomenon on Trent Reznor and the Nine Inch Nails, and how to make money in music without calling upon the state. It is an amazing presentation that is all about marketing and innovation, breaking old models and experimenting with new ones. You might say that the story is about entrepreneurship, which copyright has discouraged in the music business for 100 or so years with deleterious consequences for the entire industry.

Now, anyone who knows me would know that I'm probably the least likely person to listen to a single note of this band; not my thing at all. However, the general lesson here of innovation applies regardless of the genre in question. Whether the music is rock, country, baroque, Mahler (yes, a category all its own), or medieval or Gregorian chant, there is no escaping the need for innovation and marketing."​

Competition? Of someone else playing a song I wrote. PFFFFT. Are you smoking crack? Is the air a little thin down under.

You're a jackass.
and here is why.

I fear no one in my profession. There is no such thing as competition in my profession. For christ sake who the hell am I competeing against in the music field?

I do various things with music. One is write and produce songs. If you don't like it you don't want to buy it then I say who CARES!!!

What part of having someone else take the money off a song you wrote don't you understand?

I'm not stopping someone from performing songs, I'm not stopping someone from writing music. I'm stopping people from making money off my efforts without proper considerations. You want to diminish my efforts? Get Lost!

You believe in positive rights then. Why not a right to work? A right to be Fed? A Right to a job? A right to water? - Go read the UN HUMAN RIGHTS DECLARATION.

Collectivism FTL. Tyranny FTL.

Wake the fck up. :p
 
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Yes you reneged. There are substitutes. It wasn't a stretch at all. I fulfilled your request entirely.

You believe in positive rights then. Why not a right to work? A right to be Fed? A Right to a job? A right to water? - Go read the UN HUMAN RIGHTS DECLARATION.

Collectivism FTL. Tyranny FTL.

Wake the fck up. :p

How many videos and articles would it take to convince you to stop supporting physical property & capitalism?

(I assume you'll say never, but you expect people to be turned over just because you can flood them with info?)
 
How many videos and articles would it take to convince you to stop supporting physical property & capitalism?

(I assume you'll say never, but you expect people to be turned over just because you can flood them with info?)

It's not about that...
 
I think that property is ultimately protected by the threat of force. Although it certainly makes thins a little less chaotic labeling property as someones to control.
 
Yes you reneged. There are substitutes. It wasn't a stretch at all. I fulfilled your request entirely.

So if I go to get one of those appraised it will appraise the same as a naturally made diamond? It's my fault for not properly qualifying the question initially, but if I took what you listed to get it appraised they would not call it a diamond.



By links? I haven't read these yet. But I will. Just don't expect me to buy into your perception. My views on the idea of property are much different than yours, which also confuses me that one could even own property under your philosophy since property is an idea, but whatever. I know you'll go further than that. Just forgetting the fact the property is whatever one deems property to be, and what someone will protect as property.




You believe in positive rights then. Why not a right to work? A right to be Fed? A Right to a job? A right to water? - Go read the UN HUMAN RIGHTS DECLARATION.

Collectivism FTL. Tyranny FTL.

Wake the fck up. :p

See this is how you completely turn people off. First you take things and apply them to totally different situations because from a perspective they could be applied there, however, this would only work with black and white vision. Narrowminded would best describe how I initially percieve these attacks.

Your antics are way more of a hinderance to your message than anything else. Even if I could possibly buy into your perception, I would find it far more exciting to see you fall flat on your face. I've been trying to be nice because I think you have good things to say but you then have to go dig up a 2 month old post and just send me back to hoping that Conza steps on a rusty nail.
 
Quick Secondary note. Me supporting IP does not qualify me directly as saying I support the current trends or way corporations run this business.


However, I've never needed a record company to make my living. It's a choice. No one has to work with a label.
 
So if I go to get one of those appraised it will appraise the same as a naturally made diamond? It's my fault for not properly qualifying the question initially, but if I took what you listed to get it appraised they would not call it a diamond.

By links? I haven't read these yet. But I will. Just don't expect me to buy into your perception. My views on the idea of property are much different than yours, which also confuses me that one could even own property under your philosophy since property is an idea, but whatever. I know you'll go further than that. Just forgetting the fact the property is whatever one deems property to be, and what someone will protect as property.

Yeah, my views on property are based on logic, reasoning and rationality. Yours are the opposite. Based on Labor Theory of Value and State Manadated Monopolies on Patterns. Yours is en emotional reaction because you are unable to feel you can compete. You need to receive a boon from the state to "protect" you.

Yours is an emotional reaction against me personally. Not the ideas and positions I hold.

You're emotional. Just like a child. And just like a socialist. This is nothing new.

See this is how you completely turn people off. First you take things and apply them to totally different situations because from a perspective they could be applied there, however, this would only work with black and white vision. Narrowminded would best describe how I initially percieve these attacks.

Your antics are way more of a hinderance to your message than anything else. Even if I could possibly buy into your perception, I would find it far more exciting to see you fall flat on your face. I've been trying to be nice because I think you have good things to say but you then have to go dig up a 2 month old post and just send me back to hoping that Conza steps on a rusty nail.

I dugg up the post? Are you stupid? It was bumped, I realised I hadn't addressed it. Look at the dates. So I did. You are wrong. Deal with it.

"There is a principle that is a bar against all information and proof against all arguments, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance." - Herbert Spencer

Enjoy life. Your argument got destroyed completely.

Here it is again. You harped on ENDLESSLY about how you need real life examples. Here they are. Quit your crying. Put your hatred of me aside and I'll stop highlighting the insanity of those stupid enough to keep holding those fallacious positions, when they do.

YouTube - Michael Masnick The Trent Reznor case study

Quick Secondary note. Me supporting IP does not qualify me directly as saying I support the current trends or way corporations run this business.

I know it doesn't. Unlike the statists / socialists I don't follow the logical fallacy of 'non sequiturs' every chance I get. :rolleyes:

However, I've never needed a record company to make my living. It's a choice. No one has to work with a label.

Correct. And following the proper business model, you don't need copyright either. Watch the video and wake up.
 
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Correct. And following the proper business model, you don't need copyright either. Watch the video and wake up.

To express a couple things. First the video was pretty cool. And yes the reocrd comapnies would do well to watch.

But let me give you my full impression.

Downloading of music whether permitted or not cannot be stopped. Does this mean I think everyone who does this should be thrown in jail. Hell no.

However, as the creator of the music I have full control over its comercial use. That I do support. Now if record comapnies would like to chace ghosts by going after anyone and everyone downloading and sharing music they will only be fools. Which they have been. Do I personally think people shouldn't download, well from a personal point I believe any descent person would spend money on that which they enjoy, simply for if they do not it will not be there. This doesn't mean I advocate any form of punishment for someone who downloads a song, or would use the song in a non-comercial manner.


"for different people
different ways
different acts
in different plays
what's right for you
is right by me
but not for me
I need be free"
 
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Conza takes the time to respond to people here a lot more than I do, and I can understand why he would be frustrated after running into the same kinds of arguments again and again.

But even though I disagree with you on this Bman, I'm glad you have an open mind about it.
 
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