Justin Amash: Why I Trust Ted Cruz

[phill4paul]

I consider this equivalent to Rand endorsing McConnell.

A select few uneducated loudmouth will claim that Amash somehow abandoned his own principles with an endorsement. In reality, Amash is gaining a powerful ally who can be very useful in the future.

I respect Amash for this...just as I respected Rand for his endorsement.

I can't personally endorse Cruz, but I completely agree that if I had to pick someone to be closest to the Liberty movement....it would be Cruz (even with his Transgressions against the Liberty Movement)

I'm sure a select few party apparatchiks will chime in to say "this is just how it is done, ya got to go along to get along, this'll make him a powerful ally (which we know damn well it won't) who will help us in the future. Just like Cruz has done in the past like when he stood up for liberty during the Audit the Fed vote.

 

[Gh34]

It's not even the same as that. Cruz is far from ideal but is a lot closer to us on the issues than Romney and McConnell.

That is the exact argument neocons use vis-a-vis democrats, vote for them vs. democrats, and cruz only postured to be similar to Rand for votes, just like with Huckabee, and now Trump, etc. which has also caused the contradictions in his policies which he advertises as 'pure'.

 

[Cabal]

Predictably shameful and disappointing.

This is what happens when you play politics, as we have seen time and again, to no benefit whatsoever.

The lesser of two evils is still evil.

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

This is some traitorous unConstitutional bullshit, backing an ineligible Canadian for the Presidency.

 

[phill4paul]

Rand considered voting for both of those up until the last minute. At one point he was in favor of the TPP. Your comment seems pretty absurd, both because issues like the TPA and TPP aren't clear at all from a liberty perspective, but also because it's beyond ridiculous to advocate throwing people in prison just because they vote differently than you want them to vote.

Beyond ridiculous? Hell, we wouldn't be in this mess if we had started doing this with Alexander Hamilton.

 

[Brett85]

Predictably shameful and disappointing.

This is what happens when you play politics, as we have seen time and again, to no benefit whatsoever.

The lesser of two evils is still evil.

I don't know whether you're a Christian or not, but from a Christian theological perspective every candidate is evil. Every person and every candidate running for office is evil to some extent, since everyone has sinned against God and broken his commandments. Thus, unless Jesus Christ comes down to earth and runs for President, we'll always be voting for the lesser of two or more evils. So then it just comes down to how much evil you're willing to put up with. And it may be the case for some people that Ted Cruz is too evil for people to support. But apparently for Amash, Cruz wasn't so evil that he can't support him. But, it just doesn't make sense logically that you "can never vote for the lesser evil," since every candidate who runs is evil by Biblical standards. Of course, if you aren't a Christian then you can disregard all of that, but at least for those of us who are Christians it doesn't make sense logically or theologically to say that we should never vote for the lesser evil.

 

[Cabal]

I don't know whether you're a Christian or not

I'm not.

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

This is some traitorous unConstitutional bullshit, backing an ineligible Canadian for the Presidency.

 

[Brett85]

I'm not.

Then how do you define evil?

 

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

Anything I have to say on the subject has already been said by Andy Kaufman

 

[Matt Collins]

Ron has endorsed a lot of people worse than Ted Cruz:

 

[SilentBull]

Not surprising. I don't like Cruz but the fact is that out of everyone still running, he's still the best. Can you picture Trump responding to minimum wage questions in a general election debate? At least there is a small chance that Cruz understands basic economics. This isn't true for Trump.

There is also a small chance that Cruz went full neocon to infiltrate; that he did what Rand was doing at first, but did it more aggressively and decided to go all in. I did say "small" chance. With anyone else, there is no chance at all.

 

[Gh34]

Not surprising. I don't like Cruz but the fact is that out of everyone still running, he's still the best. Can you picture Trump responding to minimum wage questions in a general election debate? At least there is a small chance that Cruz understands basic economics. This isn't true for Trump.

There is also a small chance that Cruz went full neocon to infiltrate; that he did what Rand was doing at first, but did it more aggressively and decided to go all in. I did say "small" chance. With anyone else, there is no chance at all.

Backwards, Cruz was a neocon from the start working for Bush. Bush also pretended to be semi-non-interventionist in his 2000 campaign.



For Trump. His position in economics is closer to Perot, but he does have an ideology.

 

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

I'm sure a select few party apparatchiks will chime in to say "this is just how it is done, ya got to go along to get along, this'll make him a powerful ally (which we know damn well it won't) who will help us in the future. Just like Cruz has done in the past like when he stood up for liberty during the Audit the Fed vote.

To be fair...Cruz did co-sponsor it. Cruz has spoken, very loudly for it. And he knew that it wasn't going to pass ahead of time. Now, he should have showed up for his job, especially for a vote like that....but we know where he stands on the issue. He was on the campaign trail, and he considered that more important than attending a vote that was going to lose.

I'll rip on him all day for it....but him being slimey doesn't make him against the bill that he co-sponsored, and then abandoned when it was showed no chance of passing.

 

[phill4paul]

To be fair...Cruz did co-sponsor it. Cruz has spoken, very loudly for it. And he knew that it wasn't going to pass ahead of time. Now, he should have showed up for his job, especially for a vote like that....but we know where he stands on the issue. He was on the campaign trail, and he considered that more important than attending a vote that was going to lose.

I'll rip on him all day for it....but him being slimey doesn't make him against the bill that he co-sponsored, and then abandoned when it was showed no chance of passing.

Those. Three. Words.

 

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

Those. Three. Words.

Yea.....I'm not apologizing for him dude. I'm just being real. Ted has been a pretty strong ally in pursuit of Audit the Fed. He failed to show up for the vote...but that causation doesn't equate to the correlation that you would like to make to score political hit points against him.

Him not showing up means....that he didn't show up. It doesn't mean his position has changed.

 

[Cleaner44]

If Ron Paul or Rand Paul had been born in Canada, would that have prevented you from supporting them for President?

Yes. I would support the message, but I am not going against the Constitution and voting for a foreigner for my president.

 

[JK/SEA]

i'm sure this is some kind of strategy move we have yet to figure out....

 

[dannno]

If Ron Paul or Rand Paul had been born in Canada, would that have prevented you from supporting them for President?

I would support them and vote for them, but I would also want them to go through the process of ensuring that they could actually become President.. it's better to find out earlier than later, after all the effort has been made.

I see the avoidance as a character flaw... It's the type of person who is like, "oh, well if I just get the votes we can worry about eligibility later..." ... or "Oh, well if we just go in and attack Iraq now we can worry about all of fallout later.." .. or "Oh, well if I just get really drunk now, I'll find out how to get home later.."

It's very r (vs. K)

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Dumb move and bit surprised that JA fell for swctool Ted Goldman. Seems like this crop of libertarians need more political training/maturity.