Justin Amash is the anti-Ron Paul

[Swordsmyth]

The cost of living increases will do more to incite a Bolshevik horde than what's her name from Michigan or New York will ever do. Deficits too.

The thing that is giving the most gas to the communist movement is the loss of jobs and the dependence on government that creates, the ChiComs know what they are doing.

 

[PAF]

We can't do that as fast as they come UNLESS WE LIMIT HOW MANY CAN COME.

If .GOV TRULY CARES - WHICH THEY DON'T - they would End Welfare and Incentives, NOT become immigration restrictionists, impose ridiculous tariffs and trample MY rights. But you can not see beyond your STATIST nose.

2 wrongs do NOT make it right, it only makes it worse. YOUR way does just THAT.

 

[Swordsmyth]

If .GOV TRULY CARES - WHICH THEY DON'T - they would End Welfare and Incentives, NOT become immigration restrictionists, impose ridiculous tariffs and trample MY rights. But you can not see beyond your STATIST nose.

That is NOT enough, they came here to fast to assimilate before we had a welfare state.

2 wrongs do NOT make it right, it only makes it worse. YOUR way does just THAT.

It's NOT wrong to keep your territory from being overrun by people hostile to liberty and it makes things MUCH better, your way makes things worse and it always has.
It destroyed the Injuns but you just get mad when I point that out.

 

[nobody's_hero]

What? No. Chinese tariffs aren't good. China harms themselves with tariffs. Everyone does win with no tariffs. There is no economic advantage to tariffs. From a purely economic perspective we should have no tariffs regardless of any other country's policy. This is not up for debate.

That's a very hardline position to take and I think tariffs are much more complex than you are depicting.

Say you own a business. Your competition resides across the street. Every time you try to sell a product, you get punched in the face. Every time your competitor sells a product, he gets a pat on the back and a subsidy, meaning he can offer even cheaper rates.

Your competitor is happy because he gets rewarded. The consumer is happy because hey, cheap stuff. That leaves you, frustrated, folding up shop—not because of some "free-market" "best man won"-type of outcome, but because the market was so distorted you couldn't survive without some sort of balance.

I'm not sure what the solution is but I'm just not to the point where I can see this as a positive, especially considering that the trade situation we've been in for several decades is most likely devised to conceal the harmful policies of the Fed. Promote consumerism, punish productivity, it just seems very Keynesian to me.

 

[Swordsmyth]

That's a very hardline position to take and I think tariffs are much more complex than you are depicting.

Say you own a business. Your competition resides across the street. Every time you try to sell a product, you get punched in the face. Every time your competitor sells a product, he gets a pat on the back and a subsidy, meaning he can offer even cheaper rates.

Your competitor is happy because he gets rewarded. The consumer is happy because hey, cheap stuff. That leaves you, frustrated, folding up shop—not because of some "free-market" "best man won"-type of outcome, but because the market was so distorted you couldn't survive without some sort of balance.

I'm not sure what the solution is but I'm just not to the point where I can see this as a positive, especially considering that the trade situation we've been in for several decades is most likely devised to conceal the harmful policies of the Fed. Promote consumerism, punish productivity, it just seems very Keynesian to me.

Don't get in the way of his Chinese welfare.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I'm not twisting anything, thank you for undermining your own argument by giving an example of people who allow foreigners to come in unlimited numbers and sold them as much land as they wanted who were then conquered and wiped out.

I know you are mad that I pointed out the truth because you don't like the truth, you prefer fantasy.

LOL
[MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION] got so angry at the truth that he negged me.

 

[PAF]

The cost of living increases will do more to incite a Bolshevik horde than what's her name from Michigan or New York will ever do. Deficits too.

Sword Shill doesn't get that this .gov is causing the very problems by not eliminating the incentives/Welfare, not only for immigrants but Section 8 as well.

Once cheap products are no longer to be had and prices start to soar, I wonder what Sword Shill's approach will be when multi-generational Americans on Section 8 start having MORE babies on top of the 5 they already have by 3 different fathers in order up the monthly Welfare checks!

Sword Shill has no concept of cause and effect. Things may be undesirable now.... but you know what? Let the whole the damned thing collapse - the sooner the better!

 

[Anti Federalist]

You seem to pick and choose bits and pieces, ignoring what is the fundamental.

Yes, "territory" was taken by force, but only after they sold much of their own land to others, believing that the sale was not valid.

My signature is most sacred to me, and unless people truly understand that, and change their tune, NO other rights will be enforceable. Not you, not .gov, not AF, will ever change my mind.

You are being invaded by millions of people, right now, who are fixing to take your property and kick you down the road, assuming they just don't kill you instead.

I agree, the right to own and protect property is critical, that's why I'm trying to make this as clear as I can.

 

[UWDude]

Sword Shill doesn't get that this .gov is causing the very problems by not eliminating the incentives/Welfare, not only for immigrants but Section 8 as well.

Once cheap products are no longer to be had and prices start to soar, I wonder what Sword Shill's approach will be when multi-generational Americans on Section 8 start having MORE babies on top of the 5 they already have by 3 different fathers in order up the monthly Welfare checks!

Sword Shill has no concept of cause and effect. Things may be undesirable now.... but you know what? Let the whole the damned thing collapse - the sooner the better!

Americans and immigrants gettign welfare is the problem, not immigration. that is why we need to allow all the immigrants in until we eliminate welfare.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Sword Shill doesn't get that this .gov is causing the very problems by not eliminating the incentives/Welfare, not only for immigrants but Section 8 as well.

Once cheap products are no longer to be had and prices start to soar, I wonder what Sword Shill's approach will be when multi-generational Americans on Section 8 start having MORE babies on top of the 5 they already have by 3 different fathers in order up the monthly Welfare checks!

Sword Shill has no concept of cause and effect. Things may be undesirable now.... but you know what? Let the whole the damned thing collapse - the sooner the better!

Trump is doing what he can to eliminate welfare and the slummies are already popping out kids in record numbers but if we fight back in the trade war we will restore our economy and get people off welfare.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You are being invaded by millions of people, right now, who are fixing to take your property and kick you down the road, assuming they just don't kill you instead.

I agree, the right to own and protect property is critical, that's why I'm trying to make this as clear as I can.

And if things do collapse as he admits to wanting then the millions of invaders will make it impossible to rebuild a liberty society.

 

[PAF]

You are being invaded by millions of people, right now, who are fixing to take your property and kick you down the road, assuming they just don't kill you instead.

I agree, the right to own and protect property is critical, that's why I'm trying to make this as clear as I can.

Look. We keep going round and round. You have your position in life, I have mine. Perhaps people are invading your home and murdering your family members, which you have my sincerest, deepest sympathy. Around my neck of the woods, I see people working hard to make a living... Polish, Mexican, Asian, White, etc.

If anybody commits a crime regardless of race or nationality, they are dealt with. And as much as I travel around the country and over the border, nobody has ever tried to steal my property or my life. I am not saying that it does not happen, but from what I personally see, this stuff is being instigated by .gov in order to condition people, and to grow the Fed.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Look. We keep going round and round. You have your position in life, I have mine. Perhaps people are invading your home and murdering your family members, which you have my sincerest, deepest sympathy. Around my neck of the woods, I see people working hard to make a living... Polish, Mexican, Asian, White, etc.

If anybody commits a crime regardless of race or nationality, they are dealt with. And as much as I travel around the country and over the border, nobody has ever tried to steal my property or my life. I am not saying that it does not happen, but from what I personally see, this stuff is being instigated by .gov in order to condition people, and to grow the Fed.

Just go ahead and continue to ignore history and the current facts on their political effects, the grownups will take care of this in spite of your whining.

 

[kahless]

Open borders (systematic language, culture and race/ethnic replacement by those who historically demand big government and use government at the expense of taxpayers), no retaliation for Chinese tariffs and enriching the Communist Chinese at the expense of our manufacturing base being decimated. All celebrated here by a contingent on RPF as well as con-artist so called liberty candidates like Justin Clinton Amash. Just another thread that goes to show that much of the libertarian movement is co-opted by the opposition.

I know any day now these same RPF'ers will be defending reparations or whatever asinine policy the far left comes up with that is repeatedly defended here by so called libertarians. Policies that are systematically guaranteed to expunge the growth of libertarian beliefs within the borders of the US.

 

[Krugminator2]

LoL. If you say so.

Me and 93% of economists. https://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2009/02/news-flash-economists-agree.html

Tariffs and import quotas usually reduce general economic welfare. (93%)

That's a very hardline position to take and I think tariffs are much more complex than you are depicting.

Say you own a business. Your competition resides across the street. Every time you try to sell a product, you get punched in the face. Every time your competitor sells a product, he gets a pat on the back and a subsidy, meaning he can offer even cheaper rates.

Your competitor is happy because he gets rewarded. The consumer is happy because hey, cheap stuff. That leaves you, frustrated, folding up shop—not because of some "free-market" "best man won"-type of outcome, but because the market was so distorted you couldn't survive without some sort of balance.

I'm not sure what the solution is but I'm just not to the point where I can see this as a positive, especially considering that the trade situation we've been in for several decades is most likely devised to conceal the harmful policies of the Fed. Promote consumerism, punish productivity, it just seems very Keynesian to me.

A dollar is worth the goods and services you can buy with it. In international trade, you pay for products with products. If China subsidizes an industry and lowers the cost artificially to the point of making the US business uncompetitive, that becomes a benefit to some other part of the United States economy that the Chinese businessman will buy from. The key part of all this is Chinese businessmen have to get something of value in return or else they wouldn't trade. They aren't just getting paper rectangles to use for decoration.

 

[Krugminator2]

at the expense of our manufacturing base being decimated.

Which is ultimately what most of this tariff talk is about. Who cares if manufacturing jobs are going away? Why are those jobs worth saving? Protectionist tariffs are welfare stolen from people not in those protected industries. Not to mention we manufacture more now as a country than ever before.

Protecting dying, uncompetitive industries makes society poorer. It only hurts those unwilling to adapt.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Me and 93% of economists. https://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2009/02/news-flash-economists-agree.html

Consensus doesn't determine truth, especially when propaganda has been taught on the subject for a long time.

A dollar is worth the goods and services you can buy with it. In international trade, you pay for products with products. If China subsidizes an industry and lowers the cost artificially to the point of making the US business uncompetitive, that becomes a benefit to some other part of the United States economy that the Chinese businessman will buy from. The key part of all this is Chinese businessmen have to get something of value in return or else they wouldn't trade. They aren't just getting paper rectangles to use for decoration.

It causes misallocation of resources and damages our economy, they aren't doing it because they are stupid, they are doing it to destroy us and turn us communist.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Which is ultimately what most of this tariff talk is about. Who cares if manufacturing jobs are going away? We manufacture more now as a country than ever before.

Protecting dying, uncompetitive industries makes society poorer. It only hurts those unwilling to adapt.

They aren't really uncompetitve and allowing the enemy to destroy them make millions of Americans poorer and susceptible to communism while enriching the Chinese oligarchs and their American collaborators at the expense of everyone else, you are defending government intervention and theft.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Open borders (systematic language, culture and race/ethnic replacement by those who historically demand big government and use government at the expense of taxpayers), no retaliation for Chinese tariffs and enriching the Communist Chinese at the expense of our manufacturing base being decimated. All celebrated here by a contingent on RPF as well as con-artist so called liberty candidates like Justin Clinton Amash. Just another thread that goes to show that much of the libertarian movement is co-opted by the opposition.

I know any day now these same RPF'ers will be defending reparations or whatever asinine policy the far left comes up with that is repeatedly defended here by so called libertarians. Policies that are systematically guaranteed to expunge the growth of libertarian beliefs within the borders of the US.

Fortunately Trump won and is fighting back in spite of the losertarians.

 

[UWDude]

A dollar is worth the goods and services you can buy with it. In international trade, you pay for products with products. If China subsidizes an industry and lowers the cost artificially to the point of making the US business uncompetitive, that becomes a benefit to some other part of the United States economy that the Chinese businessman will buy from. The key part of all this is Chinese businessmen have to get something of value in return or else they wouldn't trade. They aren't just getting paper rectangles to use for decoration.

Yup, and they are buying up all the land, school seats, politicians, and technology companies. And then using the politicians and technology companies to tell us to STFU, bend over, and tell them we enjoy it.

But hey, at least we get cheap plastic chairs and red white and blue wind spinners.