Justin Amash is the anti-Ron Paul

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Yup, and they are buying up all the land, school seats, politicians, and technology companies. And then using the politicians and technology companies to tell us to STFU, bend over, and tell them we enjoy it.

I thought by 2020 being the resistance meant holing up somewhere waiting for the government goons to take you away to the camps, but instead it's by being the correct gender

 

[devil21]

Sword Shill doesn't get that this .gov is causing the very problems by not eliminating the incentives/Welfare, not only for immigrants but Section 8 as well.

Once cheap products are no longer to be had and prices start to soar, I wonder what Sword Shill's approach will be when multi-generational Americans on Section 8 start having MORE babies on top of the 5 they already have by 3 different fathers in order up the monthly Welfare checks!

Sword Shill has no concept of cause and effect. Things may be undesirable now.... but you know what? Let the whole the damned thing collapse - the sooner the better!

He already tried to say that the .69-->.99 jump in canned vegetables at Food Lion was due to the store taking advantage of news stories about inflation and shortages to raise prices

That's some bizarre ass reasoning on display. But there's your answer. The stores will be taking advantage of the news items about rising prices in order to raise prices. omg


eta: in a way SS may be right in that the news items are a signal to the CEOs to commence price increases...but it doesn't matter. Prices rising is prices rising. If the stores reduced prices later when it's out of the news cycle it would be the opportunist framing but we all know there won't be a price reduction.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

That's nonsense, any way you can purposely damage and destroy another country can be used for war.

Sanctions and blockades are the only things that come to mind.

That is what the Chinese are engaging in, defending against it isn't the same thing, even Adam Smith said so.

Adam Smith is not my God.

I could care less about who has advocated for tariffs or various forms of protectionism.

Can I, as a human being, transact with who I wish to?

If the answer is, "No," or a "But," you are a misinformed tyrant.

No, they imposed tariffs of their own after the Revolution, they rebelled because a government they had no representation in was putting many different kinds of taxes on them.

American Tariffs and Wars From the Revolution to the Depression

by James Bovard, 2014

Fair trade is once again a rallying cry for many Americans. Many contemporary leftists believe that the U.S. government should impose restrictions or tariffs on imported goods that are alleged to have been produced by underpaid or oppressed Third World workers. Few contemporary protectionists are aware of the sordid history of trade conflicts earlier in American history.

Restrictive trade policies were a major cause of the American Revolution. “In 1732, England slapped heavy duties on American pig iron, and, in a death blow to the hat industry, decreed that hat makers were forbidden to have more than two apprentices each,” as an 1892 Stanford University monograph noted. In 1750 Britain prohibited Americans from erecting any mill for rolling or slitting iron; William Pitt exclaimed, “It is forbidden to make even a nail for a horseshoe.” The Declaration of Independence denounced King George for “cutting off our trade with all parts of the world.” Many Founding Fathers recognized the corrupt nature of such restrictions. Benjamin Franklin observed, “Most of the statutes or acts, edicts, arrests, and placarts of parliaments, princes, and states, for regulating, directing, or restraining trade, have been either political blunders, or jobs obtained by artful men for private advantage, under pretense of public good.”

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More at link.

https://mises.org/library/american-tariffs-and-wars-revolution-depression

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Yup. In all cases of conquest and colonization, there are always those that do deals and trade with the invaders.
And it is true, the US government tried to make settlers respect Indian land, but settlers didn't care. And the US government was not interested in using its own people to enforce laws against its own people, so treaties were pretty much meaningless.
The indians could never show enough solidarity to stop other indians from making deals for knives and pots and guns and plastic lawn chairs.

Same with Africa. In Africa, the disenfranchised Africans were overjoyed to see British and French colonizers on the horizon. It meant a new start for many of them, and the Europeans used this to full effect. I've read quite a few books on the matter, some from perspective of colonial resisters, and some from perspective of colonial collaborators. Christian ideals like the "meek shall inherit the Earth" resonated quite well with Africans shunned by their own tribes, and indeed, in many cases, it was the meek who ended up ruling over their former chieftains.

And i see the "freedom" the globalists are trying to bring America, by empowering the weak, by elevating victimhood. I see the attempts at censorship, thought control and disarmament. Not interested in selling my rights for cheap lawn chairs.

In the meantime, the Chinese are buying up all the land, housing, technology companies and farms, with the money they get from sellign Americans cheap plastic lawn chairs. I know this personally because whenever I see my landlord, who is Chinese, I have to listen to him rail on Trump, and say nothing. Wouldn't want to be kicked out of my home because a man who has lived here for less than a decade thinks he knows better for my country than I do. (Funnily, he thinks black people are the richest Americans. I thought he was joking at first. But nope, he insisted, he thinks they are all sports stars and music stars. When I told him they were the poorest, he just said "nah, I don;t know about that, I think you are wrong).

Every time I see him, though, he starts bagging on Trump for whatever the hot story of the day is.

Oh, and i say this, because out of my past 4 residences, 3 have been owned by Chinese, and one was owned by a Serb.

Sounds like you need a Life Skill.

 

[UWDude]

Can I, as a human being, transact with who I wish to?

Wow, now tariffs restrict you from buying things.

If the answer is, "No," or a "But," you are a misinformed tyrant.

Literally Hitler!

 

[Swordsmyth]

Sanctions and blockades are the only things that come to mind.

Then you are ignorant.

Can I, as a human being, transact with who I wish to?

If the answer is, "No," or a "But," you are a misinformed tyrant.

No, you can't trade with an enemy that is waging trade warfare against us at will any more than you are free to trade with a burglar or a fence.

American Tariffs and Wars From the Revolution to the Depression

by James Bovard, 2014

Fair trade is once again a rallying cry for many Americans. Many contemporary leftists believe that the U.S. government should impose restrictions or tariffs on imported goods that are alleged to have been produced by underpaid or oppressed Third World workers. Few contemporary protectionists are aware of the sordid history of trade conflicts earlier in American history.

Restrictive trade policies were a major cause of the American Revolution. “In 1732, England slapped heavy duties on American pig iron, and, in a death blow to the hat industry, decreed that hat makers were forbidden to have more than two apprentices each,” as an 1892 Stanford University monograph noted. In 1750 Britain prohibited Americans from erecting any mill for rolling or slitting iron; William Pitt exclaimed, “It is forbidden to make even a nail for a horseshoe.” The Declaration of Independence denounced King George for “cutting off our trade with all parts of the world.” Many Founding Fathers recognized the corrupt nature of such restrictions. Benjamin Franklin observed, “Most of the statutes or acts, edicts, arrests, and placarts of parliaments, princes, and states, for regulating, directing, or restraining trade, have been either political blunders, or jobs obtained by artful men for private advantage, under pretense of public good.”

......

More at link.

https://mises.org/library/american-t...ion-depression

As members of the empire they had a right to trade in it and the "tariffs" against them were no different than a tax imposed on them without representation.
The prohibitions against colonial industry were doubly tyrannical because parliament had no right to enact such a law even if the colonies had representation.
Any interference with foreign trade may not have been justified in its own right depending on whether England was being targeted with trade warfare but they were certainly tyrannical because of the lack of representation.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Wow, now tariffs restrict you from buying things.



Literally Hitler!

Got your coffee all heated up, huh?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Then you are ignorant.



No, you can't trade with an enemy that is waging trade warfare against us at will any more than you are free to trade with a burglar or a fence.

As members of the empire they had a right to trade in it and the "tariffs" against them were no different than a tax imposed on them without representation.
The prohibitions against colonial industry were doubly tyrannical because parliament had no right to enact such a law even if the colonies had representation.
Any interference with foreign trade may not have been justified in its own right depending on whether England was being targeted with trade warfare but they were certainly tyrannical because of the lack of representation.

[MENTION=38829]kcchiefs6465[/MENTION], the founders were being targeted with trade warfare by a government that wasn't theirs, they didn't just take it the way you want us to.

 

[UWDude]

Got your coffee all heated up, huh?

You'll never guess.

 

[devil21]

Sanctions and blockades are the only things that come to mind.


Adam Smith is not my God.

But his tome Wealth of Nations is their God. Read it.

 

[Swordsmyth]

But his tome Wealth of Nations is their God. Read it.

It's not mine, you free trade fanatics seem to like it though.

 

[devil21]

It's not mine, you free trade fanatics seem to like it though.

Late shift tonight, eh?

Proverbs 15:14
14 The discerning heart seeks knowledge, but the mouth of a fool feeds on folly.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Late shift tonight, eh?

Proverbs 15:14
14 The discerning heart seeks knowledge, but the mouth of a fool feeds on folly.

[h=1]“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!”[/h]
― William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice

 

[LibertyEagle]

Is this a libertarian forum or what?

No. Never has been.

 

[TheCount]

And if things do collapse as he admits to wanting then the millions of invaders will make it impossible to rebuild a liberty society.

We need to end our liberty society because if we don't then the immigrants will come here and end our liberty society.

 

[TheCount]

As members of the empire they had a right to trade in it

A right to trade, you say? But only within the collective?

 

[ProBlue33]

Pat Buchanan is an idiot. He is just wrong and it isn't debatable. His argument is the bottom of the barrel argument for tariffs.

Both countries win economically when you allow trade otherwise trade wouldn't happen. People don't make it a habit to make themselves worse off when they buy something. Consumers choose foreign products when they deem them better or cheaper. I drive a Japanese car for that reason. I shop at Wal-Mart. In turn the producers int he foreign country buys US products or invests in the US. I don't get the fetish of manufacturing. And he isn't even right about that. The US manufactures more now than at any point in history.

Why would any country want to be economically independent? They are basically saying they want to be poorer and inefficient. Not to mention free trade is a safeguard against big government. If government regulation stifles business at home, someone outside the borders will produce it more efficiently.

On some items it makes sense, for example a simple iron, but on other items it does not, for example food, should America not be self sufficient on food at the very least the food grown in North America so Canada and Mexico. So for example I see Chinese garlic in stores, I think there should be a 3000% tariff on that to lock them out of the market, we need to grow and cultivate our own basic food supply. This actually serves as a protection for us in a number of ways. The number one plant for micro-transistors in the world is in Taiwan. If the Chinese every took that over, America would need to look at building their own. The tech manufacturing required to build 5nm chip sets doesn't spring up over night. Local is better so as a nation you don't relay on others that can hold it over you with political leverage, if they are trying to accomplish something with pressure or even an embargo. The best example of that is when America embargoed Japans oil supply during WW2, it motivated them to strike and awaken the sleeping dragon, that was very self-reliant back then with many factories ready to be converted to fight the war.

I am not arguing you with on things like cars, I own a made in Japan car myself. But it is fools errand to give economic support to developing rival political powers and let them have the advantage in trade that makes you more reliant on them. Trump is not wrong on China and trade and he has seen it for decades, I am glad he is putting pressure on them like no other president before him. Their antics in the South China see need to be pressured at every level and point.

 

[ProBlue33]

Is this a libertarian forum or what?

Many were Ron Paul supporters before their soft Libertarian leanings. They gathered here and never left.
I will say this again, a conservative Supreme court is the best chance Libertarians have in preserving the basic liberty of the constitution....to that end Trump is the best vehicle to accomplish this, right now. Many posting to RPF understand this, some don't get it or don't care.

 

[PAF]

On some items it makes sense, for example a simple iron, but on other items it does not, for example food, should America not be self sufficient on food at the very least the food grown in North America so Canada and Mexico. So for example I see Chinese garlic in stores, I think there should be a 3000% tariff on that to lock them out of the market, we need to grow and cultivate our own basic food supply. This actually serves as a protection for us in a number of ways. The number one plant for micro-transistors in the world is in Taiwan. If the Chinese every took that over, America would need to look at building their own. The tech manufacturing required to build 5nm chip sets doesn't spring up over night. Local is better so as a nation you don't relay on others that can hold it over you with political leverage, if they are trying to accomplish something with pressure or even an embargo. The best example of that is when America embargoed Japans oil supply during WW2, it motivated them to strike and awaken the sleeping dragon, that was very self-reliant back then with many factories ready to be converted to fight the war.

I am not arguing you with on things like cars, I own a made in Japan car myself. But it is fools errand to give economic support to developing rival political powers and let them have the advantage in trade that makes you more reliant on them. Trump is not wrong on China and trade and he has seen it for decades, I am glad he is putting pressure on them like no other president before him. Their antics in the South China see need to be pressured at every level and point.

Words like "should", "pressure"... if people want to grow or manufacture regardless of where they live, let the free market determine whether they stay in business or not.

Trump is a protectionist like all other government goons... he is certainly not a free market advocate.


Klaus Schwab, Founder and Executive Chairman of the World Economic Forum:

"Keynesianism was a much greater focus on health and education, and the role of government working with business. And then a reaction against that in the late century to neo-liberalism, where the focus was on Free Markets, Freedom of the Individual and getting governments out of the way. We need a shift to a new system..."

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...da-World-Economic-Forum&p=6826180#post6826180

 

[ProBlue33]

let the free market determine whether they stay in business or not.

But the markets aren't totally free with China or fair, I know of several companies that were prospering being owned by non-Chinese companies, as soon as the Chinese got a hold of them as owners they killed them. And they all had some production in North America and Taiwan, all shut down, it's like economic targeting. And those are only the ones I know about, how many others are there just like that.