Just ran off a census taker

There are no laws against it or protecting it as far as I know...This is why you could tell them they cannot do that...the article they state gives them the right only allows them to get you to answer the questions on the census- that's all.
 
I have also seen a black woman with a hand held gps a month ago, figured it was something government related.
 
Even if you believed what is coming out of the government's mouth, and it were all true RIGHT THIS MOMENT, that is not what is bad. It is what this info COULD be used for later.


The threat of too much info when they need it, handed over when they want it, to be used against us is something alot of us don't want....and don't have enough faith in the government to trust that it will not become just that.
 
Anti Federalist said:
Had a women come to the door, passing out a flyer stating that the census form would be arriving at some point in the future.

She was also noting the house location in a hand held GPS unit.

A brief hostile conversation (hostile on my part anyway) ensued, where I made clear that the Constitution allows for no more data collection other than number of voting age people in the house for purposes of apportionment.

Then I told her to leave.

So, there it is, confirmed, the census taker are entering your property's GPS co-ordinates into a database.

And yet, right on the form that was given to me, it makes it very clear that any information that could identify you or your household is punishable by fines or prison.

:mad:
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they're also photographing, particularly in rural areas. they don't have to tell you that, nor make it obvious though.

just keep your eyes pealed.
 
Krippy said:
Where is it in the Constitution that census may not collect geographical data?
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The fourth Amendment and Fifth Amendment--for starters.

This GPS tracking works in concert with the Patriot Act, The Military Commissions Act and John Warner National Defense Authorization Act and a lot of Executive Orders that allow spying on the American people. Sneak and Peek and wireless phone taps are just more encroachments on our liberties.

They are putting EVERYONE in the grid. We are considered; guilty until proven innocent--remember that. So, if you think that painting your front door with a GPS tracking is not nefarious, you aren't paying close enough attention.
 
I had one of the census volunteers come by last night with his little GPS and flyer. I asked him why they were doing it. Of course, he didn't know but thought it was a good question and he would ask his supervisor (yeah, right). But in the course of discussing this he made the comment that, "maybe it's so they can send those pilot-less drones to your house with a missile."

I thought that was interesting.
 
Oh, I could kick one of my house mates in the ass. I found out yesterday that last week some guy with a blue hat and jacket showed up with a clipboard asking census questions. She didn't even ask him for I.D. She just spills her guts like a good sheep and sent him on his way with a smile.
 
donnay said:
The fourth Amendment and Fifth Amendment--for starters.

This GPS tracking works in concert with the Patriot Act, The Military Commissions Act and John Warner National Defense Authorization Act and a lot of Executive Orders that allow spying on the American people. Sneak and Peek and wireless phone taps are just more encroachments on our liberties.

They are putting EVERYONE in the grid. We are considered; guilty until proven innocent--remember that. So, if you think that painting your front door with a GPS tracking is not nefarious, you aren't paying close enough attention.
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Of course it's nefarious, I'm not questioning the countless potential uses of such data. I only question Anti-Federalist's claims that the US Constitution forbids such methods of data collection.

The 5th amendment has nothing to do with this, and the relevance of the 4th amendment lies in the definition and interpretation of the word "search" which is a pretty crummy foundation. In almost all cases, search involves entering into ones house, car, or other belongings. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is considered public property. Consequently, I doubt using the 4th amendment against this type of data collection would hold any weight in court.

Hopefully I am wrong. This type of information stored by the government in a centralized database is disturbing and the potential misuse is frightening.
 
RoyalShock said:
I had one of the census volunteers come by last night with his little GPS and flyer. I asked him why they were doing it. Of course, he didn't know but thought it was a good question and he would ask his supervisor (yeah, right). But in the course of discussing this he made the comment that, "maybe it's so they can send those pilot-less drones to your house with a missile."

I thought that was interesting.
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If he actually said that to you, just like that, you should have made a phone call to your local sheriff---reporting a man casing your home and property for a possibly burglary.

Then the joke would be on him. :cool:
 
Krippy said:
Of course it's nefarious, I'm not questioning the countless potential uses of such data. I only question Anti-Federalist's claims that the US Constitution forbids such methods of data collection.

The 5th amendment has nothing to do with this, and the relevance of the 4th amendment lies in the definition and interpretation of the word "search" which is a pretty crummy foundation. In almost all cases, search involves entering into ones house, car, or other belongings. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is considered public property. Consequently, I doubt using the 4th amendment against this type of data collection would hold any weight in court.

Hopefully I am wrong. This type of information stored by the government in a centralized database is disturbing and the potential misuse is frightening.
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If the Military Industrial Complex deems you are an enemy combatant, with all the unconstitutional acts I presented above, you are guilty until proven innocent. With that being said, the fifth amendment is being ignored. You are being plugged into a grid that is at their disposal, not yours. Although, I know they make it look like it is at your disposal by allowing people to have access to GPS devices for travel, the bottom line is they have more power and it is controlled by them.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

The Fourth amendment needs no interpretation whatsoever. This is where so many people inadvertently lose these rights when they think they need interpretations. It means what it says and says what it means. It also ties into to all the Unconstitutional Acts I spoke of above.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Right now as it stands "probable cause" is very loosely defined in all the unconstitutional acts.

The census is constitutional and was set up to make sure everyone had representation--nothing more, nothing less.

The census taking could have been handled through the U.S. post office.

This is also quite nefarious.

Why Obama Wants Control of the Census
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123423384887066377.html
 
Krippy said:
Of course it's nefarious, I'm not questioning the countless potential uses of such data. I only question Anti-Federalist's claims that the US Constitution forbids such methods of data collection.

The 5th amendment has nothing to do with this, and the relevance of the 4th amendment lies in the definition and interpretation of the word "search" which is a pretty crummy foundation. In almost all cases, search involves entering into ones house, car, or other belongings. Unfortunately, the sidewalk is considered public property. Consequently, I doubt using the 4th amendment against this type of data collection would hold any weight in court.

Hopefully I am wrong. This type of information stored by the government in a centralized database is disturbing and the potential misuse is frightening.
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I think this may be a misunderstanding of the way the Constitution works. The Constitution does not ban a lot of things.

The Constitution does not allow anything that is not banned within it -- see the 9th and the 10th Amendments. The Constitution only ALLOWS what it specifically addresses. So long as there is no provision in the Census to allow the collecting of said location data, then they are not allowed to do it.

The way the Constitution works, you do not have to see a prohibition written in the Constitution to say that the Constitution does not authorize it. Instead you have to see it AUTHORIZED int he Constitution before you CAN do it.

So the question is backwards.

Not, "where does the Constitution prohibit this"

but "Where does the Constitution permit this?"

the answer is, well, nowhere.
 
Danke said:
“All Census Bureau employees have taken an oath and are subject to a jail term, a fine, or both if they disclose ANY information that could identify you or your household. Your answers will only be used for statistical purposes, and no other purpose.”
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What sucks is that they take the oath, do what they are told and don't question much else. They never fully read and comprehended the papers that are being filled out. So you are working as a federal employee and don't know the federal rules regulating your job, sheep.
I'm as paranoid as the rest of you people, but really a GPS location will later result in predator drone attacks. I mean come on really! We pay our taxes and support the Fed, they would loose money by killing us. Coming to our house to take our guns, ok I can believe it. I'm sure they have other means to find where you live in order to take your guns besides this state requires information to be sent to the Department of Justice that is nothing short of gun registration.
 
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asimplegirl said:
I have my doubts that they will find our house. As I have said, the postal service can't even find it, as we only have a 911 address, and have a trail through the VERY thick woods that you need an atv or 4x4 to get down to get to our house that is about 900 ft long..I have never taken a census, or seen a person that works for them... It would be completely new if I did.

We will see.
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They came in 2000, but the claymores and land mines took care of them. lol
 
I wonder if these census guys will come sniffing around apartment complexes? I find it hard to believe they would come in and do individual units, though I almost expect ignorant landlords to give them a free hand in GPSing their buildings.
 
Why not use....

Theocrat said:
A precise GPS location is needed in order to mark a spot on their map as where an address is. It's the modern equivalent of placing a peg on a paper map for a particular location. This is necessary for when they send out census surveys next year to residents.

Some addresses no longer exist nor are required for GPS tracking, so they erase those from their maps depending on what address status they ascribe to the location. For instance, nonresidential locations are not tracked by GPS on their maps. The Census only applies to residential quarters, and even then, the citizens living in those quarters are protected by U.S.C. Title XIII. The only detailed information the federal government will have about your household is what you provide them in the survey.

If you're so concerned about being tracked by GPS, maybe you should reconsider owning a cell phone.
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...the United States Postal Services "Delivery Point" addressing database that is updated daily as new addresses are created through new construction or deleted because of demolition or people moving! :confused:
 
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