Just left Texas Nullification Rally... intense(ish)

more skullduggery than you know....

Absolutely it was. In fact, I think it was more than ridiculous; it is quite suspicious. I mean, why on earth would they not let someone speak who is a strong supporter of nullification?


not suspicious at all -- they probably reason that if they let a Perry opponent speak, that will spoil the pot for a possible Perry nullification backing.

there is a sort of precedent for this. back in 2000 when GW Bush was governor,
Patrick Buchanan was supposed to speak at a rally at the Texas Capitol. GW or his representatives pitched a fit and made some threats and Buchanan was disinvited, much to the shame of those that did the disinviting. GW wasn't even going to be at the event, he just didn't want a possible opponent to speak.

lynn
 
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Thats odd . Why do you think the crowd was silent? Could people not hear him or were people just not paying as much attention at that point in the speech. You would think people would be cheering that.

Because 99% of the people out there believe the Federal Government is supported by the Income Tax. They don't realize the Income Tax amounts to about 15% of the actual Federal intake. Moreover, most people don't understand the constructionist view of the Constitution. If they did, then they would be minarchist libertarians (Classic Libs). Like I said, it's going to take something big to get these people to actually become radical. Many just want a return to 1994. Though I would say, there are many that can be culled into our corner.

The CP candidate speech was really good. Think of Adam's speeches on steroids. He was very fiery and intense. I liked 90% of what he said, and that should tell you something. He also got the biggest reception by far, but when he talked about the Income Tax and IRS the crowd went silent, like the air was pulled out of the room. I would in a heartbeat vote for that guy (Rob Taylor). I didn't like his immigration take, but the rest was on the money.

http://www.robtaylorforsenate.com/ (He is a strict non-interventionist-- in his speech, he specifically outlined only defensive wars shall be fought and to boot the UN off US soil :p)
 
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I have to admit, this thread disappoints me. I, too, had been a strong Medina fan, but now I am having my doubts. First of all, Rick Perry was nowhere to be found at the rally. He certainly did not speak. Secondly, Medina attended the rally as a CITIZEN who supports the calling of a special session to enact nullification. I assumed that is what EVERYONE was there to do. After all, that’s what the rally was about. Sadly, I was terribly wrong. Medina herself knew she, nor any other candidate campaigning for governor, would not be speaking. This was NOT an issue for her, obviously, or else she would not have come. She had two other events on her calendar today, it would have been easy to find an excuse not to show. So why was it an issue for her supporters?

As far as the rally, “not being political”, there were two members of Congress who were invited to speak, not to campaign, but to show Perry that if he were to call the special session that nullification would be supported by the congresspeople who would have to vote on it! It is one thing to know that citizens support nullification, but it is a vote of confidence for a governor to know that if he spends the money on a special session that the people in congress will actually support it. There was also a third congressman that tried to speak that was not invited and was basically shooed off the stage after only a minute or two. I don’t know what the deal was with that guy. :o)

Finally, it really disheartens me to hear the bad talk about the Not in Texas group that helped put the rally on. They have been VERY focused on nullification and have gone above and beyond to educate the people about nullification. As far as I know, they have not publicly endorsed any candidate for governor, but I have seen the picture with Rick Perry. I, personally, didn’t think anything of it. The way I see it, they get the old saying “dance with the one you brought” because they realize that Rick Perry is currently the only one who can all a special session of Congress. Rick Perry is currently the only one who can make nullification a reality in 2010. I believe Medina would do an excellent job with nullification if she were to be elected! She made that very clear during the debates and I trust that she would follow through.

But, if we wait for Medina to take office before nullifying, who knows what will happen in that 12 month period?!? The time is NOW folks!! Not a year from now! I completely understand supporting a candidate based on their stance concerning the issues (i.e. nullification), but to support the candidate FIRST and addressing the issues SECOND is something I cannot comprehend, and that is what many of the other Medina folks did at the rally. There was more time spent chanting Medina than actually trying to get nullification accomplished ASAP. I have been a strong supporter of Medina, but having seen that so many others supporting her campaign are putting her campaign for governor as a higher priority than addressing the issues we have right now (as was so clearly demonstrated at the rally), I’m beginning to wonder if Medina is doing the same thing. I still support Medina’s stance on the issues, but I can make assessments based on those people who came out today to represent her. Today, all I have seen are people more interested in screaming her name and throwing temper fits over why she isn’t speaking as opposed to people genuinely interested in what they can do to help move nullification along.

I truly hope Medina can keep things focused on the issues and not fall into a complete campaign frenzy like other supporters seem to be encouraging her to do. Medina, and all of us grassroots supporters of her, seemed like such a breath of fresh air, but I guess now it’s just politics as usual.

Mod note from MsD: Be aware, the poster has the "old saying" EXACTLY BACKWARDS. The ACTUAL old saying is "dance with the one who brung you." Which, if applied in the case made by the poster, could indicate the group Not In Texas might have some hidden affiliation with Perry. Just something to be aware of, folks.

Someone is contradicting your facts monkeymanstan.
[URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][url]http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry[/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL]

According to this person, Debra was told just before the event by one of the organizers of the event (John Stacy) that she WOULD be allowed to speak, so she showed up and a bunch of her supporters did as well expecting that she was going to speak. Other organizers of the event later decided to not let her speak for some reason, and the large crowd that showed up expecting her to speak became understandably upset.

Care to respond to this person's version of events?
 
Someone is contradicting your facts monkeymanstan.
[URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][url]http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry[/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL]

According to this person, Debra was told just before the event by one of the organizers of the event (John Stacy) that she WOULD be allowed to speak, so she showed up and a bunch of her supporters did as well expecting that she was going to speak. Other organizers of the event later decided to not let her speak for some reason, and the large crowd that showed up expecting her to speak became understandably upset.

Care to respond to this person's version of events?



Interesting considering all the explanations John Stacey made explaining why she wasn't going to be speaking.

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=222613791544&topic=29495
 
As for the whos who, who spoke. Both GOP candidates were big Neo's.

What were they doing there? I would think teapartyers would want to fly such from the highest yard arm. I would.

I can't implore people enough to go to every Tea Party. People are at least somewhat receptive, and if we don't get involved the Neo's will definitely co-opt them for sure.

Point taken.

I must say though, I was impressed with Rob Taylor. The Constitution Party candidate. He only briefly mentioned God, but he was damn fiery and his message was awesome (90% agreement). I laughed though when he said we need to repeal the 16th Amendment and abolish the IRS and the crowd went dead silent.

Raising the question of why.

He also brought up non-interventionism, ending the Federal Reserve, the NWO, etc.

He should add repudiation of the national debt to that list.

I also found it awesome when he talked about booting the UN off US soil and us getting out that the crowd uproared.

Bad idea. We are one of the permanent members of the security council and by that virtue the balls of the UN are in our hands. If we leave, there is nothing to prevent the rest of the world from uniting against us with a potentially unanimous UN imprimatur to abridge or even destroy our national sovereignty. Sure, we can tell them to fuck off, but in that case several things happen. One would be the economic impact, particularly if those UN loons decided that all nations would sever diplomatic relations with the USA. The other being the threat of warfare. Granted these things are perhaps unlikely, but they *are* possible, and if the Marxist/Globalist cabal succeeds in reining in enough of the rest of the world by inculcating their thinking appropriately, there is no telling how barking mad they may go. No sir, as long as the UN exists we need to be a top dog in order to veto any measure that may impact the USA in unwanted and unsound ways.

This is called "strategy". :)

All of us libertarians need to go to these things and inform these people. Many are willing to listen. The one thing I didn't like was the crazy Nationalism. For the whole hour prior to the speakers it was non-stop pledge of allegiance, national anthem, god stuff. Brought my An-Cap flag. Got a few convo's that went well. One guy was an Alan Keyes supporter and he was very receptive. Not sure if he is one now though. Talked about ending standing armies and he was so-so.

Nationalism doesn't bother me much as long as people don't go simple on it, which they often do... most often in fact, but the sense of national identity really is important - otherwise, why have a USA and not just the good old one-world thing?
 
Absolutely it was. In fact, I think it was more than ridiculous; it is quite suspicious. I mean, why on earth would they not let someone speak who is a strong supporter of nullification?

From Katie Brewer on Facebook:

WHO IS New Revolution Now?

Dunno who gives them money - they are new, after all. Don't think they've
done much.

The domain name is hidden, but the TEC stuff isn't. From:

http://www.ethics.state.tx.us/tedd/paclistb.htm

New Revolution Now PAC, Inc.
Account: 00066397
Wright, Dean G.
4401 Mesquite Sp. Cv.
Austin, TX 78735
(512) 892-4958

They've never filed a report electronically:

http://www.ethics.state.tx.us/php/filer.php?acct=00066397gpac

"No reports were found for this filer."

But here is from a quick search:

http://www.google.com/search?q=dean+wright+austin+"teaparties"+OR+"tea+parties"+OR+"tea+party"

For the record I search through scroogle but I can't link to those searches.
So there it is. Top link leads us to:

http://www.meetup.com/tax-day-tea-party-austin-tx/members/9230800/

TA-DAH. Good old Americans For Prosperity , who's idea of revolution is President Perry.

Other hits:

http://teapartypatriots.ning.com/profile/DeanWright
https://twitter.com/deangwright
 
Here is some more information regarding the events at nullification rally. Some people are really trashing her and her supporters over the events that took place, so it is important to know the other side of the story to be able to refute some of the accusations.

Below is a message from her Facebook page that someone posted in the comments section of a blog I came across. I tried to find it on her Facebook page but couldn't; perhaps it is some sort of internal message for people that are friends with her on Facebook. I know its legit but if anyone has the link please post.

The Austin Nullification Rally
Yesterday at 7:29pm

It was great to shake so many hands in Austin yesterday. We’ll have to continue to raise awareness about nullification and interposition in order to restore our sovereignty.

To address some concerns:

The rally was originally conceived, or so we believed by John Stacey. Yesterday it appeared that New Revolution Now was the organizer. At any rate, my staff had been encouraged by Mr. Stacey to have me and our supporters attend.

Many had been told, including my campaign manager, that while I wouldn’t be given a specific speaking slot, if I could get there and the audience wanted, I would be called up to speak. Clearly many wanted that to happen.

It appears that the leaders of the rally were a bit dishonest and disingenuous. Despite calls from the audience for me to speak, they did not extend that invitation. While it would be inappropriate to excuse disruptive behavior, perhaps having this additional information will provide a bit more context and explanation. Not only were Medina supporters lead to believe that I would speak, they were encouraged to come and show their support for both nullification and the campaign.

Moving on: I’m going to continue to work hard to share the message of true freedom with Texas. I’m going to set the bar high for excellence in all that we do. Let’s show everyone what a constitutional republic looks like and let’s do it with dignity, decorum and class!

Thank you Texans, it’s an honor to fight with you.


There is also this message from her Facebook page that can also be found here: [URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL]http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1[/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL]

The campaign had nothing to do with the supporters and actually defused a lot of the mahem. Debra had left and the supporters were angry because they were lied to by the organizers, who had stated that if she came she could speak. The sponsor of the rally and most of the speakers were Perry supporters.

We do not condone violence in any form or fashion.


These 2 messages agree with the information I posted earlier in this thread from this source:
[URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL]http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry[/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL]


Some of the people that organized/attended the nullification rally are very angry at Medina for the actions of her supporters and they are trashing her pretty bad here:
h ttp://ramparts360.wordpress.com/2010/01/18/wheres-the-other-half-of-the-story/#comments

If anyone wishes to weigh in on the matter, especially anyone that may have been at the rally, have a crack at it if you like.
 
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Here is some more information regarding the events at nullification rally. Some people are really trashing her and her supporters over the events that took place, so it is important to know the other side of the story to be able to refute some of the accusations.

Below is a message from her Facebook page that someone posted in the comments section of a blog I came across. I tried to find it on her Facebook page but couldn't; perhaps it is some sort of internal message for people that are friends with her on Facebook. I know its legit but if anyone has the link please post.




There is also this message from her Facebook page that can also be found here: [URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL="http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1"][URL]http://texaslibertyforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/debra-medina-for-governor-1[/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL]




These 2 messages agree with the information I posted earlier in this thread from this source:
[URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL="http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry"][URL]http://www.debramedinafortexas.com/2010/01/17/gop-attempts-to-use-nullification-rally-to-promote-perry[/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL]


Some of the people that attended the nullification rally are very angry at Medina for the actions of her supporters and they are trashing her pretty bad here:
h ttp://ramparts360.wordpress.com/2010/01/18/wheres-the-other-half-of-the-story/#comments

If anyone wishes to weigh in on the matter, especially anyone that may have been at the rally, have a crack at it if you like.


sounds like a classic setup to try to make Medina and her supporters look bad

lynn
 
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Just a few more pieces of information here to put this to rest and to counteract any smears of Debra should anyone here run across them... One of the speakers at the rally, Adrian Murray, has weighed in on the matter, in Debra's defense, backing up Debra's claim that the unruly behaviour occured AFTER Debra left and therefore was beyond her control. He also urges people not to judge her based on the actions of a few of her supporters.

Folks,

I went looking for Debra about 30 minutes before the end of the rally and was told she had to leave for another engagement at 4:00. This was long before her fans had their mental breakdown. I personally pulled one aside who was verbally assaulting George and told him to knock it off, that he was embarrassing his candidate.

All that said, Debra should not be tarred because of the unruly behavior of some of her fans. While I would not excuse their behavior, which was boorish and childlike, it should be kept in mind that longshot candidates tend to attract fringe elements who their entire lives have been mired in their own underdog status. That’s what attracts them to longshots.

Debra’s campaign is in its infancy and needs strong management if she is going to coalesce all the differing elements she is going to draw to her as her name recognition grows. there could be messy days ahead but with the right management staff she should be able to corral her fans and supporters into an effective force.

Keep in mind what’s important: Debra is the only candidate talking nullification (and has been for months), border defense, property rights, etc. Let’s not write her off because of what happened Saturday. I personally support her 100% and feel she is the only honest politician I have ever met.

~ Adrian

h ttp://ramparts360.wordpress.com/2010/01/19/adrian-murray-speaks/


Also, Debra addressed the subject matter in a recent interview, starting at about 7:45:

YouTube - Debra Medina on 550AM KCRS talking about the KERA and Belo debates Part 1 of 2

Sounds like a reasonable explanation to me.
 
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