Just left Iraq....

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So I just watched "the last truck" of troops cross over into Kuwait.

Is it just me, or were we not hearing about leaving Iraq until a week or two ago?

Glad they're out. Now if we can get the troops over to CONUS!

Yeay!
 
erm. I see my error... I meant "we" just left Iraq. Sorry about that!
Kentucky is my spot, always has been. LOL
 
So I just watched "the last truck" of troops cross over into Kuwait.

Is it just me, or were we not hearing about leaving Iraq until a week or two ago?

Glad they're out. Now if we can get the troops over to CONUS!

Yeay!

This is Obama's game in trying to woo the anti war liberals back (cause they are starting to drift to Ron Paul).

He needs their vote so he can be re-elected and start new wars, even without getting Congressional approval.
 
How many MRAPs and Blackhawks did we leave in Iraq for Hillary's State Department army?
 
How many MRAPs and Blackhawks did we leave in Iraq for Hillary's State Department army?

just so people know what you are referring to:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...partment-creating-mini-army-in-iraq/?page=all

The State Department is quietly forming a small army to protect diplomatic personnel in Iraq after U.S. military forces leave the country at the end of 2011, taking its firepower with them.

Department officials are asking the Pentagon to provide heavy military gear, including Black Hawk helicopters, and say they also will need substantial support from private contractors.

The shopping list demonstrates the department’s reluctance to count on Iraq's army and police forces for security, despite the billions of dollars the U.S. invested to equip and train them. And it shows that President Obama is having a hard time keeping his pledge to reduce U.S. reliance on contractors, a practice that flourished under the Bush administration.

In an early April request to the Pentagon, Patrick Kennedy, the State Department’s undersecretary for management, is seeking 24 Black Hawks, 50 bomb-resistant vehicles, heavy cargo trucks, fuel trailers, and high-tech surveillance systems. Mr. Kennedy asks that the equipment, worth hundreds of millions of dollars, be transferred at “no cost” from military stocks.

Contractors will be needed to maintain the gear and provide other support to diplomatic staff, according to the State Department, a potential financial boon for companies such as the Houston-based KBR Inc. that still have a sizable presence in Iraq.

“After the departure of U.S. forces, we will continue to have a critical need for logistical and life-support of a magnitude and scale of complexity that is unprecedented in the history of the Department of State,” says Mr. Kennedy’s April 7 request to Ashton Carter, the Defense Department’s undersecretary for acquisition and technology.

Without the equipment, there will be “increased casualties,” according to attachments to Mr. Kennedy’s memo detailing the department’s needs.

The military equipment would be controlled by the department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security, according to the information Mr. Kennedy sent to the Pentagon. During the Bush administration, the bureau was heavily criticized by members of Congress for its management of Blackwater Worldwide and other private security firms working in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The military has about 7,500 of the bomb-resistant vehicles — known as MRAPs — in Iraq. So shifting 50 to the State Department could be easily handled as the troops depart.

But handing over two dozen Black Hawks, which cost between $12 million and $18 million each depending on the model, would be more problematic. The aircraft are in short supply and heavily used by military forces in Afghanistan, where the primitive roads heighten the need for transportation by air.

The Defense Department has not formally responded to Mr. Kennedy’s memo.

Spokesmen for both departments said the two agencies are discussing the request.

About 90,000 U.S. troops remain in Iraq, and that number is expected to fall to 50,000 by the end of August under Mr. Obama’s plan to remove all combat troops from the country. All American forces are scheduled to leave by the end of 2011.

Departing, too, will be key crucial missions they performed, such as recovering downed aircraft, convoy security, bomb detection and disposal, and the ability to counter rocket and mortar attacks.

By September 2011, the 22 U.S.-led reconstruction teams spread throughout Iraq will be replaced by five “Enduring Presence Posts,” according to the documents Mr. Kennedy sent to the Pentagon. The State Department will be responsible for all the costs of operating these stations, including security, until at least 2015.

The department wants to use an existing Defense Department contract in Iraq to support these posts and the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad with essential services, including meals, mail delivery and laundry
 
Quote from wikipedia:
"In 2008, the US and Iraqi government signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement which implments that all US forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009 and that All US Forces would be mandated to withdraw from Iraqi territory by December 31, 2011 under the terms of a bilateral agreement. On December 14, 2008, then-U.S. President George W. Bush signed the security pact with Iraq. In his fourth and final trip to Iraq, the president appeared with Iraq's prime minister Nouri al-Maliki and said more work is to be done."

Yet the media is all about Obama bringing the troops home. Also I almost barfed in my mouth when Michele Bachmann said something at the debate how Obama bringing the troops home makes us look weak. I don't know the exact wording, but Obama has nothing to do with it Mrs. Bachmann.
 
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This is Obama's game in trying to woo the anti war liberals back (cause they are starting to drift to Ron Paul).

He needs their vote so he can be re-elected and start new wars, even without getting Congressional approval.

yes I think we are changing the game plan ... we are a force
 
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Quote from wikipedia:
In 2008, the US and Iraqi government signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement which implments that all US forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009 and that All US Forces would be mandated to withdraw from Iraqi territory by December 31, 2011 under the terms of a bilateral agreement. On December 14, 2008, then-U.S. President George W. Bush signed the security pact with Iraq. In his fourth and final trip to Iraq, the president appeared with Iraq's prime minister Nouri al-Maliki and said more work is to be done.

Yet the media is all about Obama bringing the troops home. Also I almost barfed in my mouth when Michele Bachmann said something at the debate how Obama bringing the troops home makes us look weak. I don't know the exact wording, but Obama has nothing to do with it Mrs. Bachmann.

What's going on here? Can this scheduled withdrawal deadline date which was claimed to just passed be found in any writings or announcements just prior to now? I was not expecting this to occur, and something like that, I would usually know.
 
I'd love to know how many PMC contractors are there on commercial and diplomatic missions... I spell diplomacy 'c-a-r-b-i-n-e.' I don't see what makes a Dept of State army any less offensive than the actual US Army though. I guess it's all about how it's sold to the people of Iraq and the US.
 
What's going on here? Can this scheduled withdrawal deadline date which was claimed to just passed be found in any writings or announcements just prior to now? I was not expecting this to occur, and something like that, I would usually know.

Hmm? Oh yeah, the Bush plan was "end of 2011" withdrawal. No idea where you can find it written. I suspect all over the place now.
 
Hmm? Oh yeah, the Bush plan was "end of 2011" withdrawal. No idea where you can find it written. I suspect all over the place now.

the ignorant masses (of which I am included) being fed propaganda. Meanwhile, the active men and women in uniform serving this country are donating to Dr. Paul.
 
the ignorant masses (of which I am included) being fed propaganda. Meanwhile, the active men and women in uniform serving this country are donating to Dr. Paul.

lol yeah, those guys most of all would know it wasn't really Obama what brought them home. They know who's best for us, too.
 
"As long as there are people who wish to lord it over another people, there will be war."

- Kludge
 
It depends on what the meaning of "army" is ......:D

Alright Bill, I just read about how much you don't like Barack, but I'm pretty sure that nothing can eclipse variability on the definition of "is." :p

of course, anybody slippery on the meaning of 'is,' is going to be really loose on the definition of 'army.' What about that civilian army he talked about as big as the US Army? Are the US-Iraqi State Department enforcer Regiments going to turn into an experiment eventually carried out in the US? :eek:

We are out of Iraq and Iraq is finally free, except we kept a chunk of it bigger than the Vatican. And are building the biggest castle ever lol. Talk about a statement of dominance. Yeah but we are officially out of Iraq now. :beating head against wall:
 
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