Just got back from Anita Andrews

[constituent]

there... a very favorable review... amazing what happens when people are actually allowed to air their concerns (even on a ...gasp... public forum).

thank you for the info murph

 

[Wyurm]

I am not working with Anita and never will. However, this is a personal decision. Last time this discussion got started, I ended up getting idiotic insults PMed to me from someone that works with her. That and a few other things got me so fed up and frustrated, I just wanted to quit, and did for about 2 weeks. I'm not getting paid for this, and if I don't like the feel of something, I won't do it and that's that.

So, the way I see it i that we are all voluntarily here and if you want to work with Anita you should be more than free to do so. However, if you don't want to, or don't feel comfortable, or only want to work with her to a degree, thats your choice.

But to insult people because they don't feel comfortable with a situation, even if they havent gone to one of Anita's meetings, is un-necessary. Not only is it not needed, it seriously risks losing members, because I assure you I have enough other responsibilities in my life that I do not need to subject myself to bickering, insults, etc... So if you like Anita's style, go for it, and if you don't feel its a good thing, then ignore her and move on.

Now let's get Dr. Paul elected however each of us is comfortable doing so.

 

[chrisholley]

I must say I am not encouraged much and I hope my doubts are unfounded. She gave us a 2 1/2 day notice
for the WHOLE state to meet during a work week and we have a very long state that
takes 8 hours to drive from one side to the other. We can't do a webcast or even videotape
the seminar. She has not gotten in contact with any other meetup group in our state as well.
I don't think this is going to do Tennessee any good as a whole.(Our 11 electoral votes has cost many elections)
She also mentioned that the direction she is going to take us will overwhelm us! That is scary
as we have less than 15 Hardcore do-or-die members and less than 40 "do it when I feel like it" members.
I hope this works, but I have doubts about the whole situation. We''ll see, God knows I want it to work!

 

[Spirit of '76]

it's just a few turns off the interstate, but yes, downtown.

Cool. I'll call around today.

 

[murph]

Chris, we didn't get much notice at all - about three days. We went on faith that the two hour drive was worth it and it was.

My only regret was that the organizers didn't take more time to spread the word sooner and get more people there. I hope that they do a better job on that in the future.

 

[constituent]

maybe that's part of the strategy?

 

[mdh]

We are getting real short notice on a visit here, now, too - Thursday. This is bothersome, since pulling together people on a weekday with less than a week's notice shall be nigh impossible.

I'm also concerned by so many things I've read here.

 

[murph]

mdh, if there is any chance of going then I encourage you to go and see and hear it for yourself. I would put little weight on concerns from those who have not heard the material first hand.

 

[father963]

I've only read since murph's comment 179. First off, who says we're working with her? I"m not. Don't need to. I've got the material and I'm running with it. I hope she finds one person in every state to take the ball and go. If you've run a campaign before, maybe you know best. I haven't.

But now I've got some sort of plan to work with. I'm not concerned about how pissed off I was that we didn't get sooner notice about the meeting. I'm not concerned about the massive amounts of work to be done to guarantee success. And I'm certainly not going to waste anymore time other than to offer help. I'm 16/7 now, but this issue is important to the campaign.

The discussion is over. You should be emailing your other state Meetups and going through the near impossible task of connecting everyone in your state. I did it. Well, I did it enough to find 11 Congressional District Coordinators willing to take on this signature collection process, and I did it in three days. Virginia WILL have Ron Paul on the ballot. What about you're state?

And guess what? It took me a month to set up the contacts. Luckily I was so frustrated back then that I started the process before this material came down the pike. It was a sloppy effort because I didn't know what I was working toward other than to have a large presence at rallies. But thank God I did. I wouldn't want to be in your shoes if someone from your state hasn't done this. You had best get it in gear. One person can't bring a state together in a couple of days.

And one person has to do it. Not lead, but serve. You've got to have a central location to bring everyone together. And you haven't the time to figure it out either.

So if you want some help, I can do it for you're state. Not lead, but serve, not manage, just show you how. Take that anyway you want, but realize this: We met with her on Labor Day. Tomorrow or the next, we will have a system in place where all the information is on a website. By the end of the week, all the CDCs (congressional district coordinators) will be registered on that site. By this weekend, we'll be collecting signatures state wide in a organized and streamlined fashion.

That's less than two weeks to set up a state wide organization to collect 20,000 signatures for Ron Paul. I don't know how Hillary does it, but I would guess she couldn't accomplish this. And not for the same price.

We got lucky. The meetups came together like a dream. The web administrator did an awesome job. And I was stubborn enough not to settle for 15 people at our Meetup events. "I'm all in" for Dr. Paul and I couldn't understand why we were not filling the stands with hundreds. Well they are out there. It just takes some organization beyond Meetup.com's capabilities to bring them together.

Re-invent the wheel if you want. In my opinion, we're standing the the desert and I'm hopping on the only thing I see moving toward the shade. It's time to act. I'll share the site, the system, and the insights from doing this here with anyone who cares. You'll have to morph the system to your state's needs, but that's just a task.
Let's go forward folks.

Allan Neal
Central Virginia RPM
[email protected] (this is not the site)
I'm here to serve, and I appologize for the tone. We keep telling others to wake up. I thought we could use the same. Funny, I can't sleep.

 

[Kuldebar]

Here's a post (should have been in this thread) from someone that has talked to Anita Andrews, presumably at one of her events:

I've seen some posts on here about her and I was also at the FL session and I try my best to give everybody a fair shake and I really think some of you guys are NOT giving her a fair shake.

The message/tactics she gave us WOULD deliver us a win undoubtedly if we followed this plan. Now I personally would say that I agree with about 90-95% of what she said.

I was the one who brought up the issue of the rEVOLution logo to her too considering how it's become the de facto trademark brand of this grassroots revolution. She pretty much flat out stated that NO we cannot use that anymore if we expect to win. This is something I both disagree and agree with. We cannot just up and out DITCH this logo as many of us have materials that still have this on there. However she has a valid point in that this does not appeal towards the 90% as Ron Paul's message/sign does of "Hope For America" or even "Peace, Prosperity, Freedom". This message wouldn't put off anybody like the rEVOLution probably does. Though I don't think the official message would attract the real revolutionaries as the rEVOLution will as well. What I plan on doing is phasing out the usage of the rEVOLution logo as it comes around to the point of 6-8 weeks before our primary.

Now I cannot question her support and determination of getting Ron Paul elected as I've heard from some people here. Do I think she is libertarian minded and "gets it" as far as government goes? I'm not so sure, but she is definitely supporting Ron Paul. You have to also consider that as a campaign advistor/strategist you will end up representing different ideologies every single campaign so I'd imagine it's difficult for these types to get too emotionally attached to a particular campaign. Though it is evident she is anti (female) socialist and also a question was asked of her by an attendee on what is actually shady about RP's positions/past and she didn't know of any but firmly stated how there is absolutely "nothing shady about Ron".

She wants us to win, she wants to win, she's offering her advice. The best advice I would say it to also take 90-95% of it but don't forget that you're an individual and NOT a robot so even if she has a 91% success rate she does not have that 100% and incorporate your own style into what she has taught us.

She IS listed as a member of the campaign' staff on their website and I don't think it matters how long she's been up there. Saying she would sue is blown out of proportion. This is what she does, this is her own private property and we sign a contractual obligation to NOT violate her property. We all know about property rights so if you are guilty of violating hers than she has every right to seek damages.

Again, if you haven't had her training session yet do NOT form a judgement about her and her strategies (even from my post) until you attend it. I'd recommend EVERYBODY do what they can to attend this as well. When you do attend please also keep an open mind, and also do not ask a million questions and do not answer questions for her as well. This happened a lot in the FL session and caused a couple of people to unprofessionally blow their gaskets.

I just hope this controversy around Anita Andrews could be dropped already and you guys can listen to what advice she has to give us (as hired by the campaign to do so) to help ensure WE WIN.

 

[Spirit of '76]

The discussion is over. You should be emailing your other state Meetups and going through the near impossible task of connecting everyone in your state. I did it. Well, I did it enough to find 11 Congressional District Coordinators willing to take on this signature collection process, and I did it in three days. Virginia WILL have Ron Paul on the ballot. What about you're state?

And guess what? It took me a month to set up the contacts. Luckily I was so frustrated back then that I started the process before this material came down the pike. It was a sloppy effort because I didn't know what I was working toward other than to have a large presence at rallies. But thank God I did. I wouldn't want to be in your shoes if someone from your state hasn't done this. You had best get it in gear. One person can't bring a state together in a couple of days.

And one person has to do it. Not lead, but serve. You've got to have a central location to bring everyone together. And you haven't the time to figure it out either.

We've already been doing all of that.

Ron is already on the ballot for the convention here. We made sure of that by staying on top of developments with the WVGOP and leaning on the campaign to make sure they were aware of changes, complying with the rules, and paying the fees.

We have been conducting a statewide effort to register a full Ron Paul delegate slate for the convention.

We are conducting outreach efforts targeted to specific demographics.

We are working within the GOP framework.

None of this is a secret, and we didn't need someone to tell us to do it.

If Ms. Andrews can help, then great. I'm willing to hear her out, and we're trying to set up the meeting with her, despite the short notice.

 

[father963]

None of this is a secret, and we didn't need someone to tell us to do it.

Good for you. Are you speaking for all the states? Why didn't you help here?

 

[Mr. White]

Some do need and appreciate some direction 76.

 

[Spirit of '76]

Why didn't you help here?

Help where?

 

[Spirit of '76]

Some do need and appreciate some direction 76.

I know. I do too!

It's just that none of that need be a big secret that just makes everyone paranoid and weird. If that's all there is to it, then come out with it.

Anyway, Ms. Andrews is coming here on Thursday, and I'm looking forward to meeting with her. I'm sure she'll have some good information for us.

Our biggest problem at this point, truth be told, is resources. All of us here are holding down actual jobs, and none of us are made of money. I'm still waiting for the campaign materials we requested from HQ a month ago (yes, I called to check on them).

Coordinating a state-wide campaign like this is a full-time job. It'd be great if the campaign would hire someone to do it, but I don't know if that's even in the cards. Hopefully Ms. Andrews will be able to give us some tips on how we're supposed to do all of this effectively on a volunteer basis and without any money to spend.

 

[father963]

Virginia. Luck of the dice, but no one started anything that got even close to state wide. Too much revolution, too many people new to politics (me), too many organizers waiting, I don't know. But it may be a good thing. We now know how to take such a situation and make it work.

We're going to use as much of Anita's plan as we have the person power to do. The key thing for us is....she got the ball rolling.

I didn't mean to be too flip, but this is a new kind of politics, from what I've seen. It needs new solutions everyday.

So, we're here to serve. From those states that need help, who want's the tour ? Trust me, if none need help, I would be very glad, but I'm sure we're not alone. I would rather concentrate on Virginia and it's State Fair coming up, but we've got plenty of help from the Meetups.



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[Spirit of '76]

Virginia.

Our hands are full here, and we're still only at the beginning.

Luck of the dice, but no one started anything that got even close to state wide. Too much revolution, too many people new to politics (me), too many organizers waiting, I don't know. But it may be a good thing. We now know how to take such a situation and make it work.

Yeah, ours is just getting rolling too. And I really do appreciate any help, insight, or advice anyone is willing to give.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not prejudging Anita's info or techniques. What I'm reacting to here is the weird, secretive vibe that surrounds it all. I'm looking forward to finding out what it's all about.

 

[father963]

Here's why you are not getting information: The campaign is small and swamped. They cannot direct the meetups because if they do and money is involved, the laws in place would cripple them. That's the short version.

Contact me through the email address above and we'll see what we can do. Or go to Central Virginia Ron Paul Meetup and contact any organizer. 23227

I'm off to a Meetup.

 

[Spirit of '76]

Thanks. Keep up the good work.

 

[militant]

update on things?

checking back, not finding when/where or if any progress has been made. what's the status, and is there anything i can do here in parkersburg to help set this up?