Just got back from Anita Andrews

I want to hear from more people that have attended these lectures. The vast majority of Ron Paul supporters will not be going to these lectures. The non-disclosure agreement seems to run contrary to the sharing of ideas and strategies.

If the campaign wants it's supporter base to become more homogenized, there are probably better ways to communicate that desire.

Who the heck are you, really? You appear to have tapped into some vast repository of ancient campaign secrets. You also seem to be blessed with an above average IQ. You're squandering all this talent out here on the internets. You could be making big bucks running campaigns and writing "Campaining for dummies" books. You should call up Ron's office and drop your load of insight on them, they could benefit...really get this ship going in the right direction and all. We'll even name the ship after you. It's gonna be great. I can't wait.
 
I work in marketing, and the idea of using official campaign signs instead of the Revolution signs is absolute lunacy.

You cannot buy authenticity and passion in marketing campaigns. This Revolution brand came from the people and was chosen by them. It inspires passion in them, and passion is infectious. Anyone heard of "lovemarks" ? They transcend brands. They are the holy grail in marketing and the Revolution is a lovemark.

Anyone who advises against it is not qualified to market zip.

The fact that she wants to sue anyone who leaks her info, makes me think that she cares more about herself than she does about the campaign succeeding.

We have an army waiting to be directed and a director who wants to keep the campaign strategy secret. This is absurd. Perhaps an experienced campaign manager can enlighten us on how this could make any sense.

This forum, the meetups, bloggers and the youtube posters have had far more affect on this campaign than has the campaign office. I suggest we just keep on keeping on and get behind the ideas that spread the passion most effectively.

Good luck to Anita on her side of things, but I will be very surprised if it becomes a major part of the growth of the revolution.
 
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I work in marketing, and the idea of using official campaign signs instead of the Revolution signs is absolute lunacy.

Perhaps she believes that it makes the official campaign seem weak?

I don't have a revolution banner or sign but I would certainly use it.

I have four home made google ron paul signs in the windows of my van and multiple bumper stickers on the back window lining the top. THIS will not change.
 
You guys, she is with the campaign, she is very experienced, and she is there to help. She says that those who attend are free to share with "other RP supporters." She is teaching grassroots campaigning. The necessary tools to be effective. That all it is.

Quit trying to find controversies and conspiracies under every rock, please. You are not helping Ron, the campaign, or the freedom movement by having a conniption every time we make a move.

She wants to win...badly. She quit doing politics a few years ago because she couldn't stand politicians anymore. She got back in because she believes in Ron.

I have been to her training with a group of activists. Her advice was "go and share and train others." Not exclusive, not cult-ish, no chickens were sacrificed to Bael, I promise. I have worked in Republican politics for years and what she teaches is tried and researched and effective stuff.

Please focus on how YOU are going to deliver votes for Ron. You could go to Anita's training or sign up for a Leadership Institute seminar or not. We just want to give you tools to help you make a positive contribution to the campaign. That's all.

Don Rasmussen
Special Assistant
Ron Paul 2008 PCC

Don,

If it is "tried and researched", then why does it have to be secretive? Surely much of this stuff must be in the public domain.

It would seem the best approach would be to share this info as widely and as quickly as possible to all Ron Paul activists.

I don't think we need to worry about armies of other candidate's volunteers using the information. They simply don't have the same numbers of passionate volunteers.

I've yet to hear a decent excuse for secrecy, and until I and others do, this will create some divide and suspicion.

This whole idea of restraining the free flow of information is antithetical to the Ron Paul movement. It shouldn't take a genius to work out that such a strategy will ruffle feathers.

At least, a very good explanation of this secrecy should be offered.

edit: To clarify what I mean by secrecy. I mean the fact that participants of her training are scared to share the strategies online because of the possible threat of being sued for breaching a confidentiality agreement.
 
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No, she believes (correctly I might add) that a unified brand is more important. For those of you in the business world, the first thing that they teach you in politics is that you cant run a campaign like a business.
I sat through every moment of the training and it was good. She didn't threaten to sue, she simply asked us no to sell or give away her resource book because it is her Copyrighted intellectual property and in the past she has had to sue to keep it out of other campaigns hands. If I worked for over 30 years in politics and wrote a campaign manual, I don't think it is too much to ask that people don't spread it around. Seemed like a very minor thing to me.
She also isn't saying what people cannot do. What she focused on is that some of what we do is less effective then other things and she would rather that we focus on the techniques that work. I keep reading peoples comments about how she doesn't understand this revolution or how someones street smarts or gut is better then her ideas. Some even suggest that she doesn't know what she is doing because we are somehow different.
Get over yourselves. The 60's and 70's had grassroot campaigning that made this look like a hobby farm. There are so many of you I wish i could tell to shut the hell up. This is the only campaign many of you have worked on an somehow in a few months you have become experts. RON PAUL IS AT 3%. WE brought him this far, now we need to see how the professional win and do what they do. there is a reason the neocons win every time. They know how to win. Now we have someone willing to teach us how they do it and some people want to laugh her off and say that you can win without. Ron Paul apparently doesn't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have hired her.
Ultimately, at the training she said one important thing that I will pass on. If you want to win, then learn the proper process. If you want to do your own thing. Then go do it. Nobody will stop you but the groups here in Florida are now very dedicated to getting this winning system in place and we really hope that all the other states will join in. A trickle of water cuts a little stone over a long time. A rushing river can carve solid stone.
I would rather be a part of the river.
Lastly, remember that people like us are in the minority. Most people still aren't paying attention to the election. Most people wont until about 60 days before the primary. We are rare. We are roughly 10% of the population and the efforts that we are putting in is still geared toward that 10%. Anita is teaching us on how to go after the other 90%.
Hear her out. Its worth your time!
 
Don,

If it is "tried and researched", then why does it have to be secretive? Surely much of this stuff must be in the public domain.

It would seem the best approach would be to share this info as widely and as quickly as possible to all Ron Paul activists.

I don't think we need to worry about armies of other candidate's volunteers using the information. They simply don't have the same numbers of passionate volunteers.

I've yet to hear a decent excuse for secrecy, and until I and others do, this will create some divide and suspicion.

This whole idea of restraining the free flow of information is antithetical to the Ron Paul movement. It shouldn't take a genius to work out that such a strategy will ruffle feathers.

At least, a very good explanation of this secrecy should be offered.

How can it be antithetical to the Ron Paul movement when it was Ron Paul that hired her? I think it is antithetical to those who work on the movement and have their own ideas as to what the movement should be. Overall, it doesnt matter because it is his campaign and we really should go along with what he wants.
 
No, she believes (correctly I might add) that a unified brand is more important. For those of you in the business world, the first thing that they teach you in politics is that you cant run a campaign like a business.
I sat through every moment of the training and it was good. She didn't threaten to sue, she simply asked us no to sell or give away her resource book because it is her Copyrighted intellectual property and in the past she has had to sue to keep it out of other campaigns hands. If I worked for over 30 years in politics and wrote a campaign manual, I don't think it is too much to ask that people don't spread it around. Seemed like a very minor thing to me.
She also isn't saying what people cannot do. What she focused on is that some of what we do is less effective then other things and she would rather that we focus on the techniques that work. I keep reading peoples comments about how she doesn't understand this revolution or how someones street smarts or gut is better then her ideas. Some even suggest that she doesn't know what she is doing because we are somehow different.
Get over yourselves. The 60's and 70's had grassroot campaigning that made this look like a hobby farm. There are so many of you I wish i could tell to shut the hell up. This is the only campaign many of you have worked on an somehow in a few months you have become experts. RON PAUL IS AT 3%. WE brought him this far, now we need to see how the professional win and do what they do. there is a reason the neocons win every time. They know how to win. Now we have someone willing to teach us how they do it and some people want to laugh her off and say that you can win without. Ron Paul apparently doesn't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have hired her.
Ultimately, at the training she said one important thing that I will pass on. If you want to win, then learn the proper process. If you want to do your own thing. Then go do it. Nobody will stop you but the groups here in Florida are now very dedicated to getting this winning system in place and we really hope that all the other states will join in. A trickle of water cuts a little stone over a long time. A rushing river can carve solid stone.
I would rather be a part of the river.
Lastly, remember that people like us are in the minority. Most people still aren't paying attention to the election. Most people wont until about 60 days before the primary. We are rare. We are roughly 10% of the population and the efforts that we are putting in is still geared toward that 10%. Anita is teaching us on how to go after the other 90%.
Hear her out. Its worth your time!

I am asking people to talk, you are asking people to shut the hell up.

I choose discussion over being stifled. And, obviously you do as well, because you are talking.
 
well good. i'm glad to hear the other side of the story then...

that just about settles the score then...

1 for the Ron Paul Team and 1 for the Ron Paul Team

hooray!
 
No Iam asking people who dont know to stop spouting opposition when they really dont know what there talking about. Passing on unfounded positions does harm and honestly this forum has a really bad history with that.
 
No, she believes (correctly I might add) that a unified brand is more important. For those of you in the business world, the first thing that they teach you in politics is that you cant run a campaign like a business.
I sat through every moment of the training and it was good. She didn't threaten to sue, she simply asked us no to sell or give away her resource book because it is her Copyrighted intellectual property and in the past she has had to sue to keep it out of other campaigns hands. If I worked for over 30 years in politics and wrote a campaign manual, I don't think it is too much to ask that people don't spread it around. Seemed like a very minor thing to me.
She also isn't saying what people cannot do. What she focused on is that some of what we do is less effective then other things and she would rather that we focus on the techniques that work. I keep reading peoples comments about how she doesn't understand this revolution or how someones street smarts or gut is better then her ideas. Some even suggest that she doesn't know what she is doing because we are somehow different.
Get over yourselves. The 60's and 70's had grassroot campaigning that made this look like a hobby farm. There are so many of you I wish i could tell to shut the hell up. This is the only campaign many of you have worked on an somehow in a few months you have become experts. RON PAUL IS AT 3%. WE brought him this far, now we need to see how the professional win and do what they do. there is a reason the neocons win every time. They know how to win. Now we have someone willing to teach us how they do it and some people want to laugh her off and say that you can win without. Ron Paul apparently doesn't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have hired her.
Ultimately, at the training she said one important thing that I will pass on. If you want to win, then learn the proper process. If you want to do your own thing. Then go do it. Nobody will stop you but the groups here in Florida are now very dedicated to getting this winning system in place and we really hope that all the other states will join in. A trickle of water cuts a little stone over a long time. A rushing river can carve solid stone.
I would rather be a part of the river.
Lastly, remember that people like us are in the minority. Most people still aren't paying attention to the election. Most people wont until about 60 days before the primary. We are rare. We are roughly 10% of the population and the efforts that we are putting in is still geared toward that 10%. Anita is teaching us on how to go after the other 90%.
Hear her out. Its worth your time!

Thank you for your message.
The points that resonate with me are: Ron Paul picked HER for this task. It makes sense to me that he would pick somebody very knowledgeable, trustworthy AND not part of the DC inner-circles. I don't see him hiring unethical people. We trust his judgement enough to be President, I think we should trust his judgement to pick somebody to help with the campaign. Maybe she DOES have some magic Kung-Fu, it'd like to hear her out.
 
How can it be antithetical to the Ron Paul movement when it was Ron Paul that hired her? I think it is antithetical to those who work on the movement and have their own ideas as to what the movement should be. Overall, it doesnt matter because it is his campaign and we really should go along with what he wants.
Sorry, but you haven't answered any of the questions raised satisfactorily.

And trying to make it sound like to disagree with the confidentiality agreement is to disagree with Ron Paul is absurd.

Preventing the free flow of information is antithetical to this online Ron Paul movement.

I don't doubt Anita has good ideas to spread, but they are being spread like a trickle, instead of like a river. Just so she can she can feel secure in the control of copyright on her book. She ought to take a leaf out of the Mises Institute's policy which has been to make most of their books available free online. This has greatly increased the popularity and sales for those books.

I'll agree to disagree on the value of a constant brand for the signs. I don't even think the official signs are a brand. They are just a sign, pretty much identical to all the other campaign signs.

Ron Paul is a brand and the Ron Paul Revolution is a separate but related brand that represents the passion of the grass roots movement and the idea of a revolutionary political movement.
 
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Hey you heard him,
Get over yourself and shut the hell up. If you want to know whats going on you have to go to the indoctrination center for yourself. He knows he's been there and now he has an official position doling out responsibilities. Top down baby. Ann
 
Hey you heard him,
Get over yourself and shut the hell up. If you want to know whats going on you have to go to the indoctrination center for yourself. He knows he's been there and now he has an official position doling out responsibilities. Top down baby. Ann

Are you trying to stir up trouble? YOU have not been to the presentation, yet along with a few others, seem to be doing your level best to steer people away from it. I have heard no one say this is some kind of control mechanism, nor any kind of top down management program.

If you do not want to go, then don't, but will you please stop acting like you know what this is all about, when you have not even attended the training?
 
You guys, she is with the campaign, she is very experienced, and she is there to help. She says that those who attend are free to share with "other RP supporters." She is teaching grassroots campaigning. The necessary tools to be effective. That all it is.

Quit trying to find controversies and conspiracies under every rock, please. You are not helping Ron, the campaign, or the freedom movement by having a conniption every time we make a move.

She wants to win...badly. She quit doing politics a few years ago because she couldn't stand politicians anymore. She got back in because she believes in Ron.

I have been to her training with a group of activists. Her advice was "go and share and train others." Not exclusive, not cult-ish, no chickens were sacrificed to Bael, I promise. I have worked in Republican politics for years and what she teaches is tried and researched and effective stuff.

Please focus on how YOU are going to deliver votes for Ron. You could go to Anita's training or sign up for a Leadership Institute seminar or not. We just want to give you tools to help you make a positive contribution to the campaign. That's all.

Don Rasmussen
Special Assistant
Ron Paul 2008 PCC

Thank you, Don. Apparently a few refuse to listen to you, but thank you anyway.
 
OK I just erased a long reply and decided to just go with I'll shut up. Lets talk this out in a couple weeks Truce Ann
 
I just find it strange that someone with so much campaign experience shows up nary, nada, zip on Yahoo/Google searches. People with a 30 year history (quoting previous poster) running campaigns with such "lofty" credentials as having HQ blown up (not sure thats a good thing) and winning a 300K to 30M campaign should have personal websites and contacts.

I think what you are seeing is a large amount of internet savvy people who know they can Google themselves(!) and find multiple entries but an established campaign person doesn't show up once? There's something odd about that...and add in not totally good reviews and you have to wonder. We know that there is a complete fear of RP's campaign at the elite level and know that shady things happen all the time in politics. Everyone has to be on guard and gut feelings are usually right. People are reacting to the strangeness of this, plain and simple. Btw, no one who has reported about these seminars has said that there was any talk about "sharing amongst supporters" but rather a tone of "if you talk about what I tell you then I will sue you". That puts people on the defensive when they have spent money and time to support RP...but now we can't talk about it? I won't even get into how some of us belong to smaller meetups that she wouldn't bother to visit. What do we do??
 
If You Have A Question, I Suggest You Call The Campaign, Instead Of Showing All Your Questioning Of The Campaign Headquarters, On This, Frickin' Public Message Board!!!

Is This Romper Room, Or What?
 
I just find it strange that someone with so much campaign experience shows up nary, nada, zip on Yahoo/Google searches. People with a 30 year history (quoting previous poster) running campaigns with such "lofty" credentials as having HQ blown up (not sure thats a good thing) and winning a 300K to 30M campaign should have personal websites and contacts.

Everything you said makes me INTRIQUED and at the same time I am not all that surprised. If there is ONE candidate that would be able to pull out a CAPABLE unknown person from out of a hat, it would be Ron Paul. Right?

Or as the nytimes said: "Anyone who is elected to Congress three times as a nonincumbent, as Paul has been, is a politician of prodigious gifts."
From: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/m...0cdfaa907ea502&ex=1189483200&pagewanted=print

I trust his judgement.
 
Everything you said makes me INTRIQUED and at the same time I am not all that surprised. If there is ONE candidate that would be able to pull out a CAPABLE unknown person from out of a hat, it would be Ron Paul. Right?

Or as the nytimes said: "Anyone who is elected to Congress three times as a nonincumbent, as Paul has been, is a politician of prodigious gifts."
From: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/m...0cdfaa907ea502&ex=1189483200&pagewanted=print

I trust his judgement.

I dont think for a second that RP himself approves anyone in her capacity because he is too busy making appearances. He trusts his campaign staff to hire employees....but that is also subject to bad decisions by his staff, right? Should we not question those decisions when we don't feel comfy about them and our contributions ultimately pay her salary? If those of us who put RP on the map (outside of his message itself) wonder about her qualifications then it should be addressed, not boiler plate "trust what we say", since this is at the heart of WHY many support RP, I think.
What were these lofty campaigns so we can see for ourselves and decide if the advise given is backed up with real results? And Ill tell ya, if she showed up to my local meetup you better believe Id be asking questions about and taking notes of her experience. Some reference to some other random guy wouldn't cut it.

Finding a diamond in the rough is great but you always go to somewhere that you can find diamonds and I want to know where this diamond came from. Otherwise it might be a fish story and this is the country at stake.
 
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