Just got back from Anita Andrews

[Ann Kobialka]

Liberty Eagle, no I have not been to one of her meetings,
I was going to go to the on in Orlando this weekend so called someone who had gone to a previous one and after the call decided not to drive from southern Alabama to Central Florida and use the time and money here locally. Ann

 

[LibertyEagle]

If You Guys Have Not Attended The Briefing, How In Hell Do You Not What She Is, Or Is Not, Doing?

 

[Kuldebar]

Instead of conjuring up in your own minds what you think she must be doing and sharing it on this forum, why don't you go to the source and find out? Call the campaign. I say this, because to be doing this speculation about an initiative from the campaign (of which you have no knowledge) can be very dangerous to its success.

The OP in this thread is specifically describing his visit with Andrews and about what her advice was to us...so I think that's pretty clear without any conjuration in regards to what Andrews prefers.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Communications with the National Campaign

In the interest of preventing the disinformation and speculation that manifested itself on this forum regarding, for example, Anita Andrews and her role with the campaign, I have created a "Contact Me" link at the top of my blog so that questions such as this can be quickly and easily answered.

http://freemansburden.blogspot.com/

Please feel free to ask me if you have a question about staff, the campaign, or any issue relating to Dr. Paul. Understand that I am still bound by the constraints of federal law and propriety so my answers may not always be satisfying, but I hope it will be helpful in keeping everyone focused on the task at hand, helping Dr. Paul win this race!

I also want to take a second and thank all of you for your hard work and your efforts on behalf of the campaign and the freedom movement.

Don Rasmussen
Special Assistant
Ron Paul 2008 PCC

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=15173

 

[constituent]

although the george bush debate tactic almost worked

since you couldn't possibly know what she said (otherwise some lady'd be suing somebody's ass)...

how dare you speculate w/out proof..

no you can't see that...

no no no... i'll sue you...

how dare you speculate?

 

[LibertyEagle]

The OP in this thread is specifically describing his visit with Andrews and about what her advice was to us...so I think that's pretty clear without any conjuration in regards to what Andrews prefers.

He said one frickin' little thing about the stupid signs. He also said he could not talk about the core of the training. Most of the people we have heard from about this training seemed to think it was very valuable.

All I'm saying is to please stop guessing what it is about, when none of us really knows, unless we have attended it. We won't be able to find out the content any other way, because of the NDAs that are signed.

If you have concerns beyond that, just call the campaign Monday morning. If you keep on with this, all you're doing is throwing daggers at something you really have no clue about and it can endanger the initiative from campaign headquarters. Do you really want to be responsible for that?

 

[Cowlesy]

What are all the people with between 1 and 20 posts going to think when they read this thread??

 

[Kuldebar]

He said one frickin' little thing about the stupid signs. He also said he could not talk about the core of the training. Most of the people we have heard from about this training seemed to think it was very valuable.

I think discussing what one person's opinions who actually attended the Andrews event is wholly relevant.

FloridaRonPaul2008 made a number of observations and comments:

...there was something a bit off with her whole presentation.

...she isn't sure she wants to really, fully be associated with Ron Paul.

...wierd statements:
-She threatened to sue anyone who gave her materials away.
-She claimed she worked on a campaign that was outspent 32 million to 300 thousand and still won. Only senate campaigns reach the 30 million mark. There has not been that big of a senate upset in decades.
-She claims she worked on a campaign in which the headquarters were blown up.

I will say this...I'm sure im "allowed" to say this: they want people to start using official RP signs, not RP Revolution, etc, signs.

Those things merit discussing, regardless if Andrews is or is not a paid/highly paid/official/unofficial campaign worker/volunteer.

 

[njjack]

What are all the people with between 1 and 20 posts going to think when they read this thread??

That we are vigilant to the letter. Passionate about what we do, and do our due diligence on information about direction. It's our strength and they would see that we are supporters that think and have a wealth of knowledge in different fields and backgrounds that may bring brighter ideas to the table given the chance.

 

[LibertyEagle]

They will also see a bunch of people jumping to conclusions about an initiative from campaign headquarters, about which they have no knowledge. How do you know that someone is trying to squelch your "brighter ideas"? You don't. You're just jumping to that conclusion. What will it hurt to listen to the woman for a few hours? If you don't agree with what she says, no one is going to force you to do it. But, all this conjecture and then dissing what she is doing, when you really have no idea at all what that really is, is not constructive at all.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I think discussing what one person's opinions who actually attended the Andrews event is wholly relevant.

FloridaRonPaul2008 made a number of observations and comments:



Those things merit discussing, regardless if Andrews is or is not a paid/highly paid/official/unofficial campaign worker/volunteer.

Perhaps instead of airing the dirty laundry on a public forum in plain sight of ANYONE who might be viewing this forum, including reporters, staff members of other campaigns, etc., perhaps you should CALL THE CAMPAIGN!

 

[constituent]

naah... we own our laundry thanks.

 

[Kuldebar]

They will also see a bunch of people jumping to conclusions about an initiative from campaign headquarters, about which they have no knowledge. How do you know that someone is trying to squelch your "brighter ideas"? You don't. You're just jumping to that conclusion. What will it hurt to listen to the woman for a few hours? If you don't agree with what she says, no one is going to force you to do it. But, all this conjecture and then dissing what she is doing, when you really have no idea at all what that really is, is not constructive at all.

Nah, I like njjack's version better because it's far more in tune with the liberty message:

That we are vigilant to the letter. Passionate about what we do, and do our due diligence on information about direction. It's our strength and they would see that we are supporters that think and have a wealth of knowledge in different fields and backgrounds that may bring brighter ideas to the table given the chance.

If I had any desire to call and bother the campaign with a question about Andrews, a question that appears to have already been answered according to people that already called the campaign about Andrews...it wouldn't change a thing about what we may feel about the value of her advice.

 

[catwoman]

Just let it go folks and make your calls on Monday. I for one am satisfied now that things are on the up and up. I checked out Ron's official site and her name is on the list of staff members.

 

[nullvalu]

What are all the people with between 1 and 20 posts going to think when they read this thread??

Well, this was the OP's first post, so... ask him/her

 

[njjack]

They will also see a bunch of people jumping to conclusions about an initiative from campaign headquarters, about which they have no knowledge. How do you know that someone is trying to squelch your "brighter ideas"? You don't. You're just jumping to that conclusion. What will it hurt to listen to the woman for a few hours? If you don't agree with what she says, no one is going to force you to do it. But, all this conjecture and then dissing what she is doing, when you really have no idea at all what that really is, is not constructive at all.

whoa, LE I'm not jumping to conclusions I think your taking alot of peoples questions here as conclusions.

I plan to hear what she has to say, I never said someone was squelching anything.

 

[LibertyEagle]

naah... we own our laundry thanks.

Actually, you do not. You are sharing it with anyone and everyone who is reading this thread. For you to talk this way on a public forum about an initiative from campaign headquarters is beyond belief and it certainly makes me question your intention in this campaign.

 

[constituent]

w/ever... more of the same garbage from libertyeagle...

blah blah blah... i disagree so therefore i question your intention in this campaign..

get used to it OP... letcha know right now...

hey, did i find the source of the "consituent is a mole" e-mail? probably... but maybe not... some wanker though.

OP, the ignore feature is something worth looking into.

yea liberty, you're the one to decide what goes and stays in Josh Lowry's forum... i forgot, well you've shouted
me down once again (why do i get the feeling you voted twice for bush?), i guess i'll retire to my corner with the other non-in the know loosers.


edit: and we wonder why people are politically apathetic... look who greets 'em when they arrive.

 

[Kuldebar]

Actually, you do not. You are sharing it with anyone and everyone who is reading this thread. For you to talk this way on a public forum about an initiative from campaign headquarters is beyond belief and it certainly makes me question your intention in this campaign.

You are acting like an authoritarian concerning this discussion.

Whether or not the Paul Campaign has hired Andrews, the point is that the cats are already out of the bag, and it is a little late for any reasonable person to assume that those cats are going to be lined up in neat little rows and columns and sent marching off in lock step.

Advice is always welcome, if it's actually advice. Andrews is welcome to the movement, but her value is not automatically higher than any other volunteer.

Let her value be measured like any one else's via hard work and results. If her ideas work, those ideas will have self evident value and be welcomed.

 

[Cowlesy]

You are acting like an authoritarian concerning this discussion.

Whether or not the Paul Campaign has hired Andrews, the point is that the cats are already out of the bag, and it is a little late for any reasonable person to assume that those cats are going to be lined up in neat little rows and columns.

Advice is always welcome, if it's actually advice. Andrews is welcome to the movement, but her value is not automatically higher than any other volunteer.

Let her value be measured like any one else's via hard work and results. If her ideas work, those ideas will have self evident value and be welcomed.

Guys --- I am always on your side, but Anita Andrews has been proven and IS part of the RON PAUL CAMPAIGN. She's even on the freakin' website!!!!!

Call the Campaign if you really think there is some huge conspiracy---seriously. I'll be meeting with her with the rest of Avery Knapp's NYC team next week.

Before you all crucify her because she made some dumb "i'll file a lawsuit remark", let's just all see what she has to say. It's the bare minimum of what we can do.

Until then, let's continue to keep doing our own thing in parallel to whatever the campaign suggests, because clearly everyone is making an impact!