Just got back from Anita Andrews

[constituent]

this word is indirect at best. RP will drop what he wants to see before too long. he knows we're listening.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I'm assuming we know for sure it was in fact Don Rasmussen.

As I recall, someone also, besides me, contacted the campaign about her and this issue, which is why Don Rasmussen came on here to begin with. Look, let's not start this whole thing AGAIN.

If you have a question about her, please call the campaign first thing Monday morning. I once did also. I no longer doubt the fact that she has been hired by the campaign to do exactly what she is doing.

 

[max]

I'm sure she has some good ideas....but does she realize that 40,000 Meetup members really means only 5,000 actual Meetup members? If she is basing our capabilities on the 40,000 figure, she will grossly overestimate our potential.

But ditching the Ron Paul revolution and other homemade signs isn't a good idea. She sounds like a corparate stiff to me...but I'm sure she has good stuff to say as well..

Never underestimate your own ability and always filter the advice of people through your own common sense...For my money, I'd like to see HQ start buying TV ads instead of consultants.

 

[catwoman]

Well, we now have word that they would like us to use the official signs more. So, does anyone have a problem with doing that? We can still continue on with the other ones too. We can just try to add in more official ones.

I just don't want to get rid of the Revolution one. It is the signature of the movement if you ask me.

In addition to the official ones I think there should also be one about taking marching orders from the constitution. That has to be the best line of the entire campaign.

 

[Kuldebar]

Ron Paul brings up the R[evol]ution signs in his speech...reference:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=162088&postcount=1

 

[LibertyEagle]

this word is indirect at best. RP will drop what he wants to see before too long. he knows we're listening.

They HAVE. Jesus Christ. Do you expect him to drop everything and tell you what to do? He hired a consultant to help us. If you doubt that, call the campaign and ask them.

 

[constituent]

calm down lady.

he's got a great way of incorporating exactly what he wants into what he says.

 

[njjack]

Oh well I don't mind everyone have a different style sign. Hell we do that already and if the official campaign is saying lets get some signs that look professional thats cool.

I'm just saying anyone (short of RP himself) tries stopping the ron paul revolution signs is going to have some trouble, he has said on numerous occasions he likes them and the message.

 

[specsaregood]

i've heard ron paul praise the signs in his speeches, so i'm not sure what to make of the clear disconnect presented by this 'revelation'

And on a sidenote, while out sermonizing to the people about Ron Paul today, I came across two hardcore christians evangelizing on the same street. They didn't know about Ron Paul (they do now and promised to search for his 'statement of faith' online.) anyways, they were went off on "Love" and how it was missing from society. I happily pointed at my rEVOLution shirt and asked them what do you think this is all about?! Long story short: they loved the logo and the subtle message it brought with it. And these two people were definitely not hippies.

 

[LibertyEagle]

calm down lady.

he's got a great way of incorporating exactly what he wants into what he says.

Hiring a consultant seems to be a pretty clear message.

 

[Kuldebar]

I'm sure she has some good ideas....but does she realize that 40,000 Meetup members really means only 5,000 actual Meetup members? If she is basing our capabilities on the 40,000 figure, she will grossly overestimate our potential.

But ditching the Ron Paul revolution and other homemade signs isn't a good idea. She sounds like a corparate stiff to me...but I'm sure she has good stuff to say as well..

Never underestimate your own ability and always filter the advice of people through your own common sense...For my money, I'd like to see HQ start buying TV ads instead of consultants.

I agree. I have no clue how much/if anything she is paid but I do think orthodox campaign methods do not necessarily and readily apply here.

I would rather people share ideas freely, try things, if they work or bring success those ideas will spread and be used by other people.

Perhaps Andrews is attempting to homogenize the appearance of Ron Paul's support...well on one level I can understand the desire but on the other hand I find it to be a rather "Uncle Tom" type thing to do.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I agree. I have no clue how much/if anything she is paid but I do think orthodox campaign methods do not necessarily and readily apply here.

I would rather people share ideas freely, try things, if they work or bring success those ideas will spread and be used by other people.

Perhaps Andrews is attempting to homogenize the appearance of Ron Paul's support...well on one level I can understand the desire but on the other hand I find it to be a rather "Uncle Tom" type thing to do.

Guys, guys... we're doing the speculation thing again. Just call the campaign Monday if you want to know, or leave a message for Don Rasmussen. He promised to check back to see if we had any other questions that he could get answered for us by the campaign.

 

[Ann Kobialka]

The last time we went round and round about anita someone concluded very correctly "She is trying to herd cats"
Hiring consultants is old school
The campaign and the good doctor have both publically stated they are trying to catch up with the grassroots and find out about things as we tell them.
Anita is paid help who is trying to catch up with us by yelling "stop what you are doing, wait up, listen to me" By the time she gets that out we are already gone
This is top down management and if it takes hold we will become another wanna be campaign and loose My 2 cents Ann

 

[constituent]

Perhaps Andrews is attempting to homogenize the appearance of Ron Paul's support...well on one level I can understand the desire but on the other hand I find it to be a rather "Uncle Tom" type thing to do.

truer words never spoken.

 

[constituent]

yea, i suppose the campaign could always hire abunch of mitt-witt style 'volunteers' to ensure the proper ratio of sanctioned vs. homemade
signs at a given event, it'd probably be cheaper than some high paid consultant...

where's that dotted line?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Here is the thread, boys:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=15173&highlight=Rasmussen

Instead of conjuring up in your own minds what you think she must be doing and sharing it on this forum, why don't you go to the source and find out? Call the campaign. I say this, because to be doing this speculation about an initiative from the campaign (of which you have no knowledge) can be very dangerous to its success.

 

[LibertyEagle]

The last time we went round and round about anita someone concluded very correctly "She is trying to herd cats"
Hiring consultants is old school
The campaign and the good doctor have both publically stated they are trying to catch up with the grassroots and find out about things as we tell them.
Anita is paid help who is trying to catch up with us by yelling "stop what you are doing, wait up, listen to me" By the time she gets that out we are already gone
This is top down management and if it takes hold we will become another wanna be campaign and loose My 2 cents Ann

Have you attended one of her briefings?

 

[constituent]

Instead of conjuring up in your own minds what she must be doing and sharing it on this forum, why don't you go to the source and find out? Call the campaign. I say this, because to be doing this speculation about an initiative from the campaign (of which you have no knowledge) can be very dangerous to its success.

actually, that's not what is going on. what is happening is a discussion about the efficacy of wasting our grassroots time listening to some paid consultant who is still campaigning in the last century.

i'm sure the staff is competant and that's fine... but people will volunteer to do what they want to do... anything more than that and we're back to politics as usual, and they're back to whatever else they've got going on.

 

[Kuldebar]

Guys, guys... we're doing the speculation thing again. Just call the campaign Monday if you want to know, or leave a message for Don Rasmussen. He promised to check back to see if we had any other questions that he could get answered for us by the campaign.

My comments apply whether Andrews is in the employ of the campaign or not. What she seems to be doing is what we should discuss.

I don't dismiss her out of hand but I question authority on the complex matters of human interaction and the spreading of support.

I freely admit my "hackles' get raised when I get wind of suggestions to sand off our rougher edges. I feel very strongly that Ron Paul has made it clear that is is unbridled creative energy that drives progress, I apply this to my view of the grass roots effort.

Of Andrews efforts and the methods she espouses, the little I know of them, appear to be very confining and exclusionary.

 

[LibertyEagle]

actually, that's not what is going on. what is happening is a discussion about the efficacy of wasting our grassroots time listening to some paid consultant who is still campaigning in the last century.

i'm sure the staff is competant and that's fine... but people will volunteer to do what they want to do... anything more than that and we're back to politics as usual, and they're back to whatever else they've got going on.

It sounds like you have somehow decided in your mind what she is presenting. I'm curious how you were able to do that, without attending the briefing. Perhaps you should know what you are talking about, before starting to throw daggers.