Just curious, how can Christians be for pro-war candidate?

virgil47 said:
Some of you folks really need to read the bible! The commandment that says you shalt not kill is not talking about war or self defense it is talking about murder! If you cannot make a distinction between the two then I hope that you or your loved ones are never threatened by a rapist or a killer. Or are you going to just roll over and say do me again please? Grow a pair and learn to take responsibilty for yourself and your loved ones. Many of you seem to be of the mind set that we should wait until the nukes start raining down on us BEFORE we take any action. That my freinds is isolationism at it finest. It could also be called the "Ostrich Policy".
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Sorry but the Iraq war was not self-defense. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

If you really believe in the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" and the other commandment "Thou shalt not lie" then you should not be in favor of continuing a war initiated and based on lies....such as the weapons of mass destruction lies.

If you are so scared of nukes then go see my post

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1208308&postcount=4

and come back and tell me that you don't agree with it and why...and why you are more scared of bad people who are six thousand miles away than bad people in your neighborhood. I wouldn't be surprised if you can't disagree with me.
 
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Say the name Jesus and have pro-Israel rhetoric and that's all you need to have the majority of unthinking Christians line up behind you.
 
If you really believe in the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" and the other commandment "Thou shalt not lie" then you should not be in favor of continuing a war initiated and based on lies....such as the weapons of mass destruction lies.
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You are assuming that they lied when all evidence suggests they really believed what they were saying. You can't go back and call someone a liar when they firmly believed they were telling the truth. If they were lying you would think the French, the Russians, the Chinese or some other country would have said something. It seems they agreed with the Bush administration they just didn't want to go to war. Saying they lied is pure demagoguery.
 
your question is all wrong.

Actually, you are not a "christian" just because you call yourself one. Therein lies the answer.
 
chiplitfam said:
Because they hold to the false just war theory that most Protestant church's hold to. If you would like to discuss it further send private message.
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Chicken. Lay it out here or your ideas are suspect for needing opacity to relay.

Randy
 
chiplitfam said:
Because they hold to the false just war theory that most Protestant church's hold to. If you would like to discuss it further send private message.
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What is up with bashing Just War Theory... this isn't the problem, it's actually Ron's reason for being against the war.
 
Because American Evangelicals get taught the Old testament side by side with the New Testament. The Old testament s to the War Ghawd Jehovah, a tribal war god of the early Pharisees. He demanded burnt flesh and torn bodies of life on his altar of sacrifice. What a stench and mess those ceremonies must have been.. Jesus came and abrogated the old laws. Hence the NEW Testament. The Bible as it s taught in Evangelical churches is anathema to itself. For an interesting aside I once found a Old Testament from 1864 full of original Dore copper engraved plates. They had beautiful engraved letters at the beginning of every chapter. I thought..great! I can scan a whole Dore alphabet into my computer. Unfortunately there were only four letters that began EVERY CHAPTER.. A-N-T-I..

Can you say AntiChrist. Now drop that old testament of the war ghawd on get on the Jesus train. The Pharisees and moneychangers ain't no different than central bankers and black robed judges. When I was an altar boy we NEVER EVER quoted or read from the Old testament and my church elders told me that was because Jesus came and turned over the old laws. Their was no need to pay someone for redemption of sin if that is the human condition as recognised by the divine.

Best
Randy
 
Revolution9 said:
Because American Evangelicals get taught the Old testament side by side with the New Testament. The Old testament s to the War Ghawd Jehovah, a tribal war god of the early Pharisees. He demanded burnt flesh and torn bodies of life on his altar of sacrifice. What a stench and mess those ceremonies must have been.. Jesus came and abrogated the old laws. Hence the NEW Testament. The Bible as it s taught in Evangelical churches is anathema to itself. For an interesting aside I once found a Old Testament from 1864 full of original Dore copper engraved plates. They had beautiful engraved letters at the beginning of every chapter. I thought..great! I can scan a whole Dore alphabet into my computer. Unfortunately there were only four letters that began EVERY CHAPTER.. A-N-T-I..

Can you say AntiChrist. Now drop that old testament of the war ghawd on get on the Jesus train. The Pharisees and moneychangers ain't no different than central bankers and black robed judges. When I was an altar boy we NEVER EVER quoted or read from the Old testament and my church elders told me that was because Jesus came and turned over the old laws. Their was no need to pay someone for redemption of sin if that is the human condition as recognised by the divine.

Best
Randy
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Have you ever read the Bible? :rolleyes:
 
Ironically, the Bible is very Libertarian in nature...so it's a mystery to me why the Libertarian Party isn't dominated by them....*shrug*.

Anyway, killing is ok, as long as it's done in self-defense....if it's done in a way as to not defend something, then it's not ok.

People have just been duped by their Pastors, since they're listening to them more than they're listening to the Holy Spirit and reading their Bible.
 
gh4dotcom, perhaps if you would read all of the posts in this thread you wouldn't be so prone to making stupid remarks. Also as for nukes when you were a child in school just how many times did your teachers have you get under your desks and hope the nukes didn't land near you. Being 60 I grew up during the cold war so please don't try to tell me about M.A.D. I was in high school when JFK was assasinated and I've witnesed more changes in our form of government then you can possibly imagine. When ANYONE claims to have weapons of mass destruction and threatens to use them I am all for taking them out. If you don't agree then it tells me you are a member of the "Ostrich Movement".
 
virgil47 said:
gh4dotcom, perhaps if you would read all of the posts in this thread you wouldn't be so prone to making stupid remarks. Also as for nukes when you were a child in school just how many times did your teachers have you get under your desks and hope the nukes didn't land near you. Being 60 I grew up during the cold war so please don't try to tell me about M.A.D. I was in high school when JFK was assasinated and I've witnesed more changes in our form of government then you can possibly imagine. When ANYONE claims to have weapons of mass destruction and threatens to use them I am all for taking them out. If you don't agree then it tells me you are a member of the "Ostrich Movement".
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You didn't answer my question and I bet you didn't read my post.

Let me try again and let's see if you can show the people reading this thread that you are more of a straight talker than McCain or it's about as useless to ask you a question and get a straight answer as it is to ask him.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1227046&postcount=42

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1208308&postcount=4

You DIDN'T say why you are more scared of bad people who are six thousand miles away than the bad people in your neighborhood. I wouldn't be surprised if you can't disagree with me.
 
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I get irked at the hypocrisy of Christians who claim to be for the sanctity of life for the unborn but don't believe the same way about their government killing innocent civilians in foreign countries. To me, it's even more heinous to kill a full fledged adult. Far more people are affected by the loss of an adult than unborn child. That grown person could be a dad, a brother, a son, a cousin, and friend to many people close to him/her. The killing of an unborn child, while a gruesome act in itself ,doesn't touch as many peoples' lives as the killing of an adult does.

I realize not all Christians have this attitude, but it seems as if a large majority do and that really bugs me.

Chad
 
I am Christian, and i agree with Ron Paul. So many of my fellow churchgoers fall for the fearmongering that they will vote for war. Ironically, the Bible says we should have faith and fear no man. The MSM will scare voters to vote McMain.
 
ambiguousscion said:
Have you ever read the Bible? :rolleyes:
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Better question.. Have you ever really read your Bible. Do you understand WHY there s an Old and a NEW Testament? What is your reasoning behind the separation? I stand behind what my Church in Canada taught me. It makes absolute sense.

Randy
 
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