Just curious, how can Christians be for pro-war candidate?

[nbhadja]

Try again Cricket and try reading the entire bible next time. As for Iraq never doing anything to us, well, niether did Nazi Germany. Are you suggesting that we should not have attacked the Germans in world war 2? I certainly hope that is not your position. Please think before you respond next time.

You please think the next time you post.

Germany was really powerful. Iraq was really weak, had no navy, no weapons of mass destruction, nothing to do with 9-11, very small army,and no airforce.. Oh and they weren't invading random countries like Germany was....Hmm....but I wonder which country is invading random countries........cough USA cough

 

[nbhadja]

homah, has anyone in Darfur even hinted that they have weapons of mass destruction? Hmmm, I certainly have not heard of even a hint, have you? The fact that we did not find any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq has NO meaning. The FACT that Saddam claimed to have them and the FACT that he used them on the Kurds was justification enough to go into Iraq. However after invading and taking out Saddam and then finding that he had either used up all of his weapons of mass destruction or sent them to another country for safe keeping we should have immediately disengaged and let the locals sort out their own problems. Saddam's insistance on saying that he had these weapons appears to have been aimed at keeping Iran from invading Iraq. Unfortunately for him he was too successful and convinced the world that he had them and this precipetated our invasion. I don't fault our government for the invasion but I do think that our troops should have been quickly removed once we had established that Saddam was blowing smoke.

FACT- The only poweful weapons he had were the ones we gave him.

I guess you are a big government spender liberal; spending trillions on wars when your trillions in debt

 

[Molly1]

Just curious since I'm not a religious type person but how is it that Christians can be for a candidate who is pro-war? I always thought Christians were supposed to be against killing?

They are seriously deceived. They have a bunch of false prophets leading them, wolves in sheep's clothing--people who pretend to be of Christ but who are really the spirit of the antichrist.

Jesus warns us over and over about this.

Luke 21:8
And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

 

[Dr.3D]

Because most christians are only Sunday christians.

Plus christians hate Muslims.

I'm an everyday Christian, but I prefer to keep the Sabbath holy.
Sunday is not the Sabbath!

I don't hate Muslims.
As my Lord has said many times, "love your neighbor as you love yourself".

Some may now ask, who is my neighbor?
The answer to this question is, everybody.

 

[Molly1]

Christians better wake up!



22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

--Matthew 7

 

[moostraks]

Never lump all Christians together....

Okay this right here is why threads are never accurate when you say sweeping generalities about Christians...I am a Christian but am diametrically opposed to killing...Period

In application non-resistance through time has saved many people possibly as much as resorting to violence. THe original church, as I have read, directly following Jesus' ministry was a non-resistant one until the church became more mainstream and thus accepting society ideals over their own beliefs.(There was some second guessing going on!!) So resorting to violence for self-saving purposes is not a guarantee you will be successful. It is a matter of the situation as to how effective the method chosen led to the final outcome of the situation.. Does this mean you cannot use your intellect when you are being assaulted...NO!!!

I find it rather interesting that being a pacifist is being spoken of so disdainfully...
The just war theory is an interesting way of legitimizing the use of violence upon another. I have survived several life threatening ordeals so do not assume I do not speak with any experience. Life will be what it will. It is fear that leads to the loss of control that leads to returning violence with violence. You stop seeing any alternative but to end the existence of the opposition.We all do what we feel we have to do, but those who do not stoop to the level of the aggressor should not be spoken of so contemptuously especially by Christians who claim Christ spoke of the ideal for which we should strive.


[Jesus said:] “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”
—Matthew 5:38-48, NIV

 

[Molly1]

[Jesus said:] “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”
—Matthew 5:38-48, NIV



There you go. Compare what Jesus said there to Huckabee's threat to the Iranians: "Prepare to see the gates of Hell."


Jesus, too, is a touchstone, giving us a true picture into the minds and hearts of men.

 

[Molly1]

Any of you gigantic psuedo christians ever hear of an "eye for an eye". If not try reading your bible again.

An 'eye for an eye' falls under the Old Covenant. The Old Covenant is now obsolete, brother. We are under the New Covenant of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, a covenant of forgiveness, love, and grace.




Hebrews 8:13
By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

 

[qh4dotcom]

Some of you folks really need to read the bible! The commandment that says you shalt not kill is not talking about war or self defense it is talking about murder!

Sorry but the war in Iraq was not self-defense. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

Also the careless killing of innocent Iraqi civilians IS murder. Not compensating their families for their grief is outrageous.

Please also see post #57 in this thread

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1227538&postcount=57

 

[Live Free]

This is not a just war.

It turned unjust as soon as the USA's (read Bush) attention went from Al Queda towards Iraq.

I would think that if people would recall that the citizenry was told 900 and some lies to get us to go into Iraq, maybe they would realize just how unjust this war is and self-correct their views. To me, that is what a Christian would do... self-correct.

I am a Christian and I also believe that America has become/is the terrorist. We as a nation have blood on our hands for not stopping it.

 

[allyinoh]

Just war theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_war

I am a Christian. I am not a pacifist. But, I do not believe Iraq fits into the definition of a just war, and therefore would not support any candidate who believes the Iraq War is justified.

But wouldn't the Iraq war go AGAINST the just war theory?

I think Christians like many others have been mislead. It's the Muslims trying to kill the Americans aka Christians..

I don't know, I don't go to church anymore. I am only for war in self-defense.

 

[Molly1]

Alot of these gullible Christians still think there was WMD there like Huckabee. Alot of them think the Iraqi people were living under tyranny and deserved to be "liberated". Many of them also think the Iraqi's want us to be there.

The government has perpetuated these falsehoods, and the people are ignorant to the facts. I hope they continue to wake up to this.

Huckabee compares the missing weapons of mass destruction to Easter eggs. Who knows where the bunny hid the Easter eggs? Maybe Jordan.

His buddy Mccain trumps him. Alzheimers means you can hide your own Easter eggs.