Just curious, how can Christians be for pro-war candidate?

[Rintrah]

A life time of pro-war government propaganda?

 

[homah]

They aren't really Christians.

 

[virgil47]

Try again Cricket and try reading the entire bible next time. As for Iraq never doing anything to us, well, niether did Nazi Germany. Are you suggesting that we should not have attacked the Germans in world war 2? I certainly hope that is not your position. Please think before you respond next time.

 

[MichGuy59]

The Truth is Too Horrible

Whatever theory you might hold to concerning 9/11. Whether that it was committed solely by Osama and nineteen young Arabs, or if you believe our government was complicit in allowing it to happen, or whether you believe our government was complicit in making it happen.

One overwhelming truth of that tragedy was the escalated tragedy of an exponentially increased hatred of Muslims around the world by Americans. This was especially true of Christians, as it unleashed religious fear of holy war, or the ushering in of potential Armageddon.

Our government played on this fear to illegally invade Afghanistan and Iraq. Sorry to say for many Americans, and unfortunately because of their religious views, many Christian Americans, it is all too difficult to realize we were duped by our very own government into believing a lie regarding these Muslim nations. It’s easier to keep believing the lie that these “evil doers” are out to get us, than believe our government lied and may be continuing to do so. (as a proof text just study how the German people reacted after they knew the Nazi government was perpetrating mass murder against the Jews, communists, etc., They kept supporting the government lies, as the truth was far too horrible to consider.)

Playing on those continued fears of the “islamo fascist Muslims” many Christians believe we must carry on this war with vigilance to the very end, with honor, no matter what. That’s why they won’t vote for Ron Paul, the “isolationist” they want a real “war hero” in John McCain. After all he has promised to get Osama don’t you know?

To get to the truth, a person must be able to throw off all prejudice and preconceived beliefs and just look at the empirical evidence. For most people that is far too scary an endeavor. Seeking the truth, once you find it, changes who you are forever. This is even more so with Christians. I know, I just a short time ago believed the way most of them do, let’s keep the war going, let’s get those Muslims. Fortunately I discovered the truth and also discovered Ron Paul.

 

[homah]

Try again Cricket and try reading the entire bible next time. As for Iraq never doing anything to us, well, niether did Nazi Germany. Are you suggesting that we should not have attacked the Germans in world war 2? I certainly hope that is not your position. Please think before you respond next time.

Why are we not in Darfur, then? Why Iraq? Hmm, I wonder...

 

[virgil47]

homah, has anyone in Darfur even hinted that they have weapons of mass destruction? Hmmm, I certainly have not heard of even a hint, have you? The fact that we did not find any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq has NO meaning. The FACT that Saddam claimed to have them and the FACT that he used them on the Kurds was justification enough to go into Iraq. However after invading and taking out Saddam and then finding that he had either used up all of his weapons of mass destruction or sent them to another country for safe keeping we should have immediately disengaged and let the locals sort out their own problems. Saddam's insistance on saying that he had these weapons appears to have been aimed at keeping Iran from invading Iraq. Unfortunately for him he was too successful and convinced the world that he had them and this precipetated our invasion. I don't fault our government for the invasion but I do think that our troops should have been quickly removed once we had established that Saddam was blowing smoke.

 

[Alabama Supporter]

Alot of these gullible Christians still think there was WMD there like Huckabee. Alot of them think the Iraqi people were living under tyranny and deserved to be "liberated". Many of them also think the Iraqi's want us to be there.

The government has perpetuated these falsehoods, and the people are ignorant to the facts. I hope they continue to wake up to this.

 

[ambiguousscion]

Alot of these gullible Christians still think there was WMD there like Huckabee. Alot of them think the Iraqi people were living under tyranny and deserved to be "liberated". Many of them also think the Iraqi's want us to be there.

The government has perpetuated these falsehoods, and the people are ignorant to the facts. I hope they continue to wake up to this.

Agreed, it is not that they "like war" (although I'm sure there are a selection of those who do), but you have to figure out if "not doing anything" is worse than war. Many Christians have been told that not stopping Saddam would be worse than stopping him, afterwards using the logic that he was killing his own people and thus we were justified in removing him from power. Many do not understand that we are the ones who gave him weapons that he used against Iran, these same weapons were used against his own country. The problem is a lack of information and understanding about the issues. It is a lot to wade through and most people, well intended as they may be, don't know enough about the topic to make a good decision.

The trouble is that diplomacy is not talked about enough or other strategies. War should be the last option on the table (Just War Theory states this)... but only the last option. Unfortunately many who like war are prone to see it as a first option.

 

[Redcard]

Christians are for pro-war candidates because they believe that we are in the end times. Why do you think Left Behind is so popular? Why do you think even the Christians here are talking about Mccain or Huck being the anti-christ?

They want the end of the world. They want the Tribulation. The Death Cult that Christianity has become finds that a) We must help Israel at all costs and B) the end of the world brings Jesus back.

There ya go.

 

[scandinaviany3]

they have been told that its for freedom

It unfortunately a problem of too many christians that get used to following blindly a pastor, leader. They will be sheep but not question if the leader is following their true master, others think the world is soon to end because of how bad things are getting and cant believe that people within the US have anything to do with evil behavior. They again dont challenge internal authority and expect God above to take care of them rather than do their job of being involved. Its all around confused teaching and followers that look only for morality and goodness and faith to be spoken. Thus a Reagan is there natural choice in the past. Today probably huckabee will come from behind and pass mccain for the same reason. They will believe that if a man will speak the word of God and care for others he must be the best choice.

Sad...sad..sad...very easy to trick them unless someone points out deception on the part of the others in reguards to serious faith issues, lieing, stealing, cheating, abuse, drugs, sexual misbehaviors, and other anti christian behaviors.

Morality of a leader and speaking about God is what they dig...plane and simple.

If Ron would have done this. In every state in the south and midwest he would have picked up 5-10 points in votes.

 

[qh4dotcom]

Just curious since I'm not a religious type person but how is it that Christians can be for a candidate who is pro-war? I always thought Christians were supposed to be against killing?

Because Christians who voted for pro-war candidates like McCain and Huckabee are hypocrites...a hypocrite is someone who thinks and acts differently....if the pro-war Christians really believed in the commandment "Thou shalt not kill", then they should act that way and vote for a candidate who will not tolerate killing and war.

 

[Ayse]

Most religious people are hypocrites, that's how.

 

[m72mc]

Just curious since I'm not a religious type person but how is it that Christians can be for a candidate who is pro-war? I always thought Christians were supposed to be against killing?

they are Christian in though only, not in actions.

 

[ambiguousscion]

Christians are for pro-war candidates because they believe that we are in the end times. Why do you think Left Behind is so popular? Why do you think even the Christians here are talking about Mccain or Huck being the anti-christ?

They want the end of the world. They want the Tribulation. The Death Cult that Christianity has become finds that a) We must help Israel at all costs and B) the end of the world brings Jesus back.

There ya go.

...Kind of... many do support Israel for this reason. It's called "Pre-Millennial Dispensationalism" in which they believe that "Israel" is literally "Israel the Nation" throughout Scripture and in eschatology (End Times). They will usually use passages to support this, suggesting that you will be cursed if you don't bless Israel (the nation). Pat Robertson is on board with this doctrine. Many traditional "Reformed Christians" believe that Israel, in the New Testament and beyond, theologically and in the eyes of God is "The Church", not the nation/land of Israel, thus their is no theological support to be "friends" with Israel the nation, rather be friends with everyone. After all, the message of Christ is not about land and territories on the planet, but about escaping the righteous judgment of God. Those who are of Christ are in His Church (Israel of God).

 

[virgil47]

Some of you folks really need to read the bible! The commandment that says you shalt not kill is not talking about war or self defense it is talking about murder! If you cannot make a distinction between the two then I hope that you or your loved ones are never threatened by a rapist or a killer. Or are you going to just roll over and say do me again please? Grow a pair and learn to take responsibilty for yourself and your loved ones. Many of you seem to be of the mind set that we should wait until the nukes start raining down on us BEFORE we take any action. That my freinds is isolationism at it finest. It could also be called the "Ostrich Policy".

 

[ambiguousscion]

Some of you folks really need to read the bible! The commandment that says you shalt not kill is not talking about war or self defense it is talking about murder! If you cannot make a distinction between the two then I hope that you or your loved ones are never threatened by a rapist or a killer. Or are you going to just roll over and say do me again please? Grow a pair and learn to take responsibilty for yourself and your loved ones. Many of you seem to be of the mind set that we should wait until the nukes start raining down on us BEFORE we take any action. That my freinds is isolationism at it finest. It could also be called the "Ostrich Policy".

I agree, this is well said, but it is not about reading the Bible, it is about understanding it.

 

[virgil47]

+10000

 

[t3rmin]

Christians are not generally blind pacifists; we claim to believe in just war. Indeed, when required for defense or protection, war is a necessary evil. But our default position is peace. When forced to depart from it, we long for its return. Or should.

So what is wrong with Christians in America today? We seem to care little about making informed moral and logical judgments. We'll consider anything but peace.

A bloody and expensive war rages, with no plans or goals or justification, and no end in sight. Almost 4000 of our soldiers are dead and so are tens of thousands of Iraqis. Both groups are God's creation, made in His image, and loved. It's a war against a weak, third-world country that never attacked us. A war which has measurably increased and strengthened Islamic extremism globally.

We have thrown our country's rich Christian morality and sense of justice to the wind. And for what? We have lost respect among both our friends and enemies on the world stage -- we're isolating ourselves. We continue to provoke and motivate our enemies over there, while our own borders remain wide open -- we're less safe. And we're spending/printing/borrowing to pay for the whole thing, leaving a heritage of debt slavery and lower standards of living for our children.

One thing has become apparent as I talk to Christians about the presidential candidates: we'll compromise on anything but this war. We'll vote for big-government, tax-and-spend, run-our-lives liberals. We'll support someone soft on abortion, immigration/border security, civil rights, and constitutionality. We'll choose adulterers, liars, and overlook all manner of moral and character defects.

Just so long as they support the war.

If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men. - Romans 12:18

 

[ambiguousscion]

Christians are not generally blind pacifists; we claim to believe in just war. Indeed, when required for defense or protection, war is a necessary evil. But our default position is peace. When forced to depart from it, we long for its return. Or should.

So what is wrong with Christians in America today? We seem to care little about making informed moral and logical judgments. We'll consider anything but peace.

A bloody and expensive war rages, with no plans or goals or justification, and no end in sight. Almost 4000 of our soldiers are dead and so are tens of thousands of Iraqis. Both groups are God's creation, made in His image, and loved. It's a war against a weak, third-world country that never attacked us. A war which has measurably increased and strengthened Islamic extremism globally.

We have thrown our country's rich Christian morality and sense of justice to the wind. And for what? We have lost respect among both our friends and enemies on the world stage -- we're isolating ourselves. We continue to provoke and motivate our enemies over there, while our own borders remain wide open -- we're less safe. And we're spending/printing/borrowing to pay for the whole thing, leaving a heritage of debt slavery and lower standards of living for our children.

One thing has become apparent as I talk to Christians about the presidential candidates: we'll compromise on anything but this war. We'll vote for big-government, tax-and-spend, run-our-lives liberals. We'll support someone soft on abortion, immigration/border security, civil rights, and constitutionality. We'll choose adulterers, liars, and overlook all manner of moral and character defects.

Just so long as they support the war.

If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men. - Romans 12:18

Agreed, and I don't mean to split hairs, but I think the Apostle Paul was not talking about war in this specific passage, but your point is well taken.

 

[ChickenHawk]

Some of you folks really need to read the bible! The commandment that says you shalt not kill is not talking about war or self defense it is talking about murder! If you cannot make a distinction between the two then I hope that you or your loved ones are never threatened by a rapist or a killer. Or are you going to just roll over and say do me again please? Grow a pair and learn to take responsibilty for yourself and your loved ones. Many of you seem to be of the mind set that we should wait until the nukes start raining down on us BEFORE we take any action. That my freinds is isolationism at it finest. It could also be called the "Ostrich Policy".

Very well said. I've always said that the definition of pacifism is "the belief, despite conclusive evidence to the contrary, that violence doesn't solve anything".