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Well to be fair, some people like it in the butt that way.
Jokes on you, Scott Brown voters
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Well to be fair, some people like it in the butt that way.
It's not nonsense if you have a friggin clue how today's politics works, which you clearly do not. Btw, I absolutely challenge you on your assertion that "I have a track record of being wrong." That's just stupid personal attacks with no basis in fact. I assure you I see things that matter much clearer than you do.
It's not stopped. It's on hold and a very tenuous hold at that, considering Brown's statements IMMEDIATELY after he was elected. You actually believe the stuff Nancy Pelosi releases for media and public consumption? Haha right. Insurance companies have already paid out a ton in lobbying fees, bribes and kickbacks to Congress and they WILL get what they paid for. I guess at this point we'll just have to wait and see who ends up being ultimately right but if you think the election of one liberal Republican to the Senate stops the entire health care/tax hike train then you're delusional. Like I said, a short stay of execution while the game plan is changed or a bigger distraction comes along.
How was I wrong? I personally only stated that Brown would never have to live up to his pledge to vote against Obamacare. Seems I was right, or at least for now. I can provide links if you want. Maybe you're confusing me with some other poster.
You voted for McCain didn't you. The dilution of the principles of many of the members (new ones, interestingly enough) of this forum since Obama was elected is very apparent to those of us that remember taking the same stand as Ron Paul did. "No, I can't vote for someone that doesn't agree with me on much of anything."
I think what we're seeing here is status quo neo-cons actively working to make headway into this movement through this forum (and others, I suspect). I can't see how anyone that witnessed RP's treatment at the hands of the ENTIRE GOP structure could seriously support the nonsense that posters like you and sarahgop are posting around here.
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There really isn't any difference between RomneyCare and ObamaCare. Both are liberty abridging, fiscally irresponsible, and unConstitutional.
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To examine the voting record of everyone who is running. If they supported expanding the size/scope of government, increased taxes, violated the Constitution, or diminished liberties, they are NOT to be trusted!
For those without voting records, if they have a chance of winning, get close to them and guide them. And make sure they understand you can destroy them if they go astray from their promised path of limited government.
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Exactly.
DING DING. We have a winner.
How many times have we been warned about the lesser of two evils? I keep posting that G. Edward Griffin vid. to remind people, but feel that no one ever watches it as people keep making the same mistakes over and over again.
If you are asking the question "Why is this country in the worst shape it ever has been?" You now have your answer. It is compromise.
Let me direct you to this thread.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2490195
I started this thread on December 9, 2009. It was an interview with Joe Kennedy.
The part of the interview I posted made it clear that Joe Kennedy was for the Gold Standard. That Joe Kennedy was one of us.
I was just then starting to pay attention to that race. I was looking to see what
people had to say about Joe Kennedy. I was looking to see if there was any support or enthusiasm for Joe Kennedy.
tangent4ronpaul clearly had been thinking about the race. He was able to analyze the data he had about Joe Kennedy and Scott Brown and made a reasonable and accurate prediction about Scott Browns chances long before most people. He also was able to recognize that Joe Kennedy was a good Liberty candidate, but that in this particular race he was unlikely to do well.
Flash also recommended support of Scott Brown.
I personally read tangents analysis, and to me it seemed quite informed and insightful. The position I eventually took, to support Scott Brown, was based in part on tangents analysis.
YOU POSTED ON THAT THREAD TOO AUSTRIAN.
Here's what you had to say on December 10.
"Oh man, if they elect him on the basis of his name, this would be the funniest shit I've ever seen. On the other hand, to any intelligent Mass-ians, that would be the clear shot to get the fuck out of there ASAP! I mean, you elected a Rockefeller-Republican as Governor, that should have been enough of a hint"
What you appear to be saying is that it would be funny if Joe Kennedy won.
That is not a hearty endorsement of Joe Kennedy, now is it?
Why are you such a big Joe Kennedy supporter now, when you were making fun of him back then?
Others who appear to be pro Joe Kennedy and anti Scott Brown today, really didn't have inspiring calls to action on behalf of Joe Kennedy back then.
Lester1/2jr said "the lady who will win is a nightmare cross between hillary clinton and 50 cent" That'd be it. Not, Coakley is a nightmare, we should support Joe Kennedy, but just a wrong prediction of the outcome (but a good assessment of Coakley).
Goldwater27 said "This guy is so on point with all the issues. Too bad this shithole I call home will never elect him." That's a fair analysis, he ended up supporting Kennedy and hasn't been an asshole about it. His post on this thread was the closest thing to a ringing endorsement Kennedy got.
Epic said "If Kennedy won, it would be so funny. and "the libertarian has a better chance of winning than the republican...." Since then, Epic has been posting very useful threads with polls on the race, but hasn't really made it too clear where he stands on the race.
speciallyblend went with "interesting something i think the media cannot ignore. plus it plays good media."
Aratus said "Joe Kennedy's name recognition despite its confusions trumps the g.o.p guy seven ways to sunday. it maybe has him as a Libertarian almost positioned to nudge past Mr. Brown into second place."
What no one said, when it mattered, was, "hey, we're the mightiest message board about Liberty politics in the land. What can we do, right now, to help Joe Kennedy?"
I had some suggestions on how Joe Kennedy could be helped. But I ended up supporting Brown. If I saw that there were people here motivated and helping Joe Kennedy, I might not've.
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this video has 31,762 views
. . . in less than 24 hours since being uploaded.
Whether you were for or against Scott Brown, please do something to help spread this video so that this crap doesn't happen again in November.
Do a youtube search "Scott Brown Voters" and it is the last to show up on the first page of search resuts. Let's see if we can get that up a few slots.
. . . in less than 24 hours since being uploaded.
Whether you were for or against Scott Brown, please do something to help spread this video so that this crap doesn't happen again in November.
Do a youtube search "Scott Brown Voters" and it is the last to show up on the first page of search resuts. Let's see if we can get that up a few slots.
Just like the Aldrich Bill and the Federal Reserve Act were the same.
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No. It doesn't stop Obama's healthcare bill. For one thing he doesn't have a healthcare bill. There are two bills out there that have to be reconciled. Also Scott Brown's election in the senate doesn't change the number of votes in the house. I know I'm belaboring the obvious, but since you think everyone that disagrees with your assessment is a "dullard" I feel the need to spell this out. So there will be changes to the bill in reconciliation (the only real effect of Pelosi's statement) and it will go back to the senate where 60 votes will again be needed. Scott Brown said he would vote for some version of Obama's proposals. So can the house put together a package acceptable to Scott Brown that's probably unacceptable to the people who voted for him? Just look at Romneycare. The only hope we have at this point is that the left is irrational. That those on the left who want a "public option" or "single payer" will decide to go for "all or nothing" and not vote for the insurance mandate which Scott Brown already voted for in Massachusetts. That is a possibility. Howard Dean and others were urging to vote against this bill before Brown got elected. But the reality that the dems will lose in 2010 might convince them to compromise.
The bottom line is this. The public option clearly is dead. The insurance mandate, something that Scott Brown supports, is very much alive. A clear message must be sent that there will be hell to pay for any Republican willing to compromise on this.
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He and all others in Congress can see clearly now that their support for this can cost them. That hurts the chances of anything going forward ... version-Obama or version-Romney. The previous level of support will not be sustained. So this guy's individual willingness to bend is somewhat meaningless. The rug has been pulled out from under the entire project.
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If Martha Coakley has been elected universal health care still wouldn't have passed by this point. The negotiations weren't that far along. Does the election of Brown slow down the bill? Sure. That's one more person the democrats will have to bribe (excuse me "negotiate with") to get 60 votes. The house version contains a public option and the senate version does not. Brown's election effectively kills the public option. It does not kill the mandate since he voted for that in MA and he said he likes certain "core" parts of the current bill. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the mandate is part of the core. Had Coakley won the house might have tried to revive the public option. With Brown they might wake up to reality and pass the senate version. Oh sure, they won't do it this week. It will take awhile for reality to set in with some people. And maybe it won't ever. But maybe it will. Nobody has a crystal ball.
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Good for you! But, as you say, this never caught on. Most people (myself included) assumed that "Ted Kennedy's seat" was a "safe democratic seat". There was never a Joe Kennedy moneybomb to my knowledge, No banner ads here. Nothing. I'm not blaming anyone, just stating the facts. How best to correct this problem? I don't know. What to do going forward? Maybe we need a better mechanism going forward of tracking all of the liberty candidates, not just the ones that have already become a "household world" at RPF?
Finally I'm not mad at anyone who wants to be "hopeful" about Brown. And while I think the energy and money could have been better directed, that an individual decision. I am concerned, however, with people overblowing this and making predictions that simply aren't true. Obamacare is not stopped. Is it badly damaged? Sure. No doubt about that. But the ball is in the democrats court. If they do the strategically smart thing and rally around the "core elements" of this bill that Scott Brown supports it passes this year. We have to let the Scott Browns, Olympia Snowes and Joe Libermans know there will be hell to pay if they go along with such a scheme. We also have to make sure that democrats get the message that no matter how "safe" they think their seat is, if they vote for ObamaBrownRomneycare, they're toast.
Joe Kennedy never had a chance. He might be right on everything, but it doesn't matter. If you want to win elections in this country, you've got to run as a Republican or Democrat. It's that simple. If we could get some libertarians in office using the party system, then we could try to change the rules. Until then, though, the game is rigged from the start.
i also thought an al franken interval stood between any seating of the victor!
YES... i missed how the SLUSH FUND MONEY as WELL AS TEAPARTY*EXPRESS
donations would create a seismic shift that would EDGE scott brown in by a
LOWLY 52% to 53% percent of the vote! ms. martha may run for her day-job
in a few months, and then may take on dear junior senator scott brown in a
rematch. what we saw is the way the bell curve cut. keep in mind we had more
people voting in 2008 and they went obama then! scott brown has to battle
and then some to keep his finicky fickle INDEPENDENTs happy as well as placate
any and all reVOLUTIOn and/or goldwater people! 2012 is going to be intense!
ARATUS achingly was EYE-ing running against dear senator teddy kennedy when
he was alive, and then at the last minute, when i quailed at the idea of a run
myself, i am now kicking myself! i could have gotten into a debate or two, for
we have this selectman guy in canton, mass almost on our primary ballots as we
see jack e. robinson actually get the 10,ooo+ signatures! i voted for the looser!
YES... i missed how the SLUSH FUND MONEY as WELL AS TEAPARTY*EXPRESS
donations would create a seismic shift that would EDGE scott brown in by a
LOWLY 52% to 53% percent of the vote! ms. martha may run for her day-job
in a few months, and then may take on dear junior senator scott brown in a
rematch. what we saw is the way the bell curve cut. keep in mind we had more
people voting in 2008 and they went obama then! scott brown has to battle
and then some to keep his finicky fickle INDEPENDENTs happy as well as placate
any and all reVOLUTIOn and/or goldwater people! 2012 is going to be intense!
ARATUS achingly was EYE-ing running against dear senator teddy kennedy when
he was alive, and then at the last minute, when i quailed at the idea of a run
myself, i am now kicking myself! i could have gotten into a debate or two, for
we have this selectman guy in canton, mass almost on our primary ballots as we
see jack e. robinson actually get the 10,ooo+ signatures! i voted for the looser!
stupid me! ...i'm now trying to ignor this impulse to get up on a rEVOLUTIOnAry soap*box in the 5th
district so that if i WIN the local 2010 g.o.p primary, i just might & can debate Ms. Niki Tsongas(D)!!!
folks, if i do the darstardly and challenge the widddeerrrr of a great senator and statesman, will you
pass my auld hat around if i toss it into the ring either in 2010 or 2012? D.c's HOUSE or SENATE???
district so that if i WIN the local 2010 g.o.p primary, i just might & can debate Ms. Niki Tsongas(D)!!!
folks, if i do the darstardly and challenge the widddeerrrr of a great senator and statesman, will you
pass my auld hat around if i toss it into the ring either in 2010 or 2012? D.c's HOUSE or SENATE???
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