Jokes on you, Scott Brown voters

[dannno]

The bill as it existed is dead.

I AM PLEASED WITH THAT.

I never thought Brown was anything other than a tool to do one specific thing: kill that fucking TERRIBLE healthcare bill that the three stooges (BO, Nan, and Harry) had come up with.

I did not contribute to his campaign or do anything to advance his cause other than hope for his victory in that specific race.

If you don't like that, too bad.

Eh, that's pretty much how I feel and I was ragging on Brown a lot a few days ago.

Though I was still hoping people would get confused and vote in Joe Kennedy.

 

[MurrayMe]

Pelosi said today she does not have the votes in the house to pass the CURRENT Senate bill.

Dean came out tonight and told the left they need to "give up on comprehensive health care reform for now, settle for what they can get."

I don't doubt he'll vote in the future for shit I will HATE.

But his election has done the job I wanted it to do: kill the existing health care deform monster.

Me too.

 

[JustinTime]

Forgive my ignorance, but there was a Kennedy on the ballot and he only got 1% of the vote? In Massachusetts? Was this man not one of *the* Kennedys?

 

[FrankRep]

Forgive my ignorance, but there was a Kennedy on the ballot and he only got 1% of the vote? In Massachusetts? Was this man not one of *the* Kennedys?

This Joe Kennedy is a Libertarian.

 

[MsDoodahs]

Forgive my ignorance, but there was a Kennedy on the ballot and he only got 1% of the vote? In Massachusetts? Was this man not one of *the* Kennedys?

And unrelated to the MA royal family.

 

[stilltrying]

And if more people paid attention to Brown's voting record then Joe Kennedy would've had a MUCH higher %.


Sheesh... it's as if the People in this country haven't learned ANYTHING in the last 3 years, much less the last 12

What have you learned in the last 3? I'm all ears.

Tell ya the truth I have read about the same shit occuring for 234 years.

Name me 1 positive thing from government that didnt infringe on others or divide people.

 

[Stary Hickory]

Sometimes I wonder about people....this is at least the third post of the SAME thing. Last time I checked had we listened to many on these forums we would now be waiting for the passage of the now dead Health Care bill.

Browns election saved people from he passage of the Obamacare bill. Are you delusional? People voted for Brown to defeat this Obamacare bill and that is exactly what happened. No one here honestly expected Brown to be a model liberty candidate.

If people had listened to peeps ike the OP we would be stuck with fascist health care. I am not willing to live in a socialist dictatorship just so peeps on these forums can feel principled. Fighting for liberty is where my principles lie. We are more free today because people did the right thing and got a NO vote in the senate...just in time. Had they listened to you, Coakley would be Senator and would be voting YES.

 

[jmdrake]

This is ultra liberal Massachusetts, don't forget that.

That kind of misses the point. It's not like Scott Brown said "I'm going to vote against universal healthcare, but I'll vote for cap and trade". He's indicated that he might vote for core elements of the very legislation that the people voting for him wanted stopped. We can't sweep this under the rug!

I fully sympathize with the "glass half full" view. Like MsDoodahs I am "hopeful" that Brown victory might somehow stall universal healthcare. That said I was "hopeful" that an Obama victory might roleback the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Not very in either case. There's nothing wrong with hope. But now that the elections over there's no point (IMO) in defending hope. The only thing to concentrate on now is accountability. Brown has sent up a trial balloon to say that he's open to Obama/Romneycare. We need to be all over talk radio and the internet putting out the message that this is not acceptable.

Finally, the "joke" is on all of us. We didn't recognize how vulnerable Martha Coakley was. We could have "moneybombed" Joe Kennedy to prominence had this gotten on our radar earlier. Hindsight is, of course, 20/20. But we've got to concentrate more on getting our own people elected.

 

[jmdrake]

Sometimes I wonder about people....this is at least the third post of the SAME thing. Last time I checked had we listened to many on these forums we would now be waiting for the passage of the now dead Health Care bill.

Browns election saved people from he passage of the Obamacare bill. Are you delusional? People voted for Brown to defeat this Obamacare bill and that is exactly what happened. No one here honestly expected Brown to be a model liberty candidate.

If people had listened to peeps ike the OP we would be stuck with fascist health care. I am not willing to live in a socialist dictatorship just so peeps on these forums can feel principled. Fighting for liberty is where my principles lie. We are more free today because people did the right thing and got a NO vote in the senate...just in time. Had they listened to you, Coakley would be Senator and would be voting YES.

Scott Brown hasn't voted "no" yet. He's clearly indicated that under the right circumstances he might vote "yes". He voted yes for the same thing in Massachusetts. The election is over. Coakley is no longer a threat. Rather than spinning your wheels trying to prove yourself right you need to be all over Brown to make sure he doesn't break what was until his election a clear campaign promise.

 

[devil21]

Sometimes I wonder about people....this is at least the third post of the SAME thing. Last time I checked had we listened to many on these forums we would now be waiting for the passage of the now dead Health Care bill.

Browns election saved people from he passage of the Obamacare bill. Are you delusional? People voted for Brown to defeat this Obamacare bill and that is exactly what happened. No one here honestly expected Brown to be a model liberty candidate.

If people had listened to peeps ike the OP we would be stuck with fascist health care. I am not willing to live in a socialist dictatorship just so peeps on these forums can feel principled. Fighting for liberty is where my principles lie. We are more free today because people did the right thing and got a NO vote in the senate...just in time. Had they listened to you, Coakley would be Senator and would be voting YES.

Get over yourself. We're going to be stuck with some iteration of this nonsense health care bill (aka fresh tax revenue base) regardless. All Brown has done is offer a short stay of execution to appease people like you while openly admitting he wants some sort of national health care plan, right after he was elected. No progress was made, unless you consider electing yet another RINO to the Senate to be progress.

A short stay of execution to be followed up by a new "game plan" to quickly pass the garbage anyway. Maybe you don't realize this yet but Congress WILL PASS the tax hikes...err...health care reform in some form. I'm on the accelerated course for collapse so we can give this mofo a chance for a real recovery instead of just drawing out the pain longer and longer. Thanks for being part of the problem instead of the solution.

 

[Stary Hickory]

Get over yourself. We're going to be stuck with some iteration of this nonsense health care bill (aka fresh tax revenue base) regardless. All Brown has done is offer a short stay of execution to appease people like you while openly admitting he wants some sort of national health care plan, right after he was elected. No progress was made, unless you consider electing yet another RINO to the Senate to be progress.

A short stay of execution to be followed up by a new "game plan" to quickly pass the garbage anyway. Maybe you don't realize this yet but Congress WILL PASS the tax hikes...err...health care reform in some form. I'm on the accelerated course for collapse so we can give this mofo a chance for a real recovery instead of just drawing out the pain longer and longer. Thanks for being part of the problem instead of the solution.

Well here is the deal you were wrong about Browns election...it did stop health care. This was the first bunch of nonsense tossed around here....telling us that it would not matter that the bill would go through anyways. You were wrong...dead wrong. Now you are telling me what is going to happen next? You have a track record of being wrong....I will listen to other folks thank you very much.

Whatever happens in the future we can still be sure of one thing, had people listened to people like you it would be ALOT worse. Admit you were wrong about Brown's election and you get over yourself. The people who wanted Brown to win on these forums were actually grounded pretty well in reality, they understood it was an opportunity to stop Obamacare. It's stopped.... negotiations for a new bill will take awhile and right now Health Care is not a popular thing for moderate Democrats. The entire game plan has changed.

Locking up congress so it doesn't pass a bunch of garbage is better than having an express fr leftist authoritarian garbage. We almost got one of the biggest power grabs in the history of the country thrust on us. If people had listened to you we would be stuck with it. So please get over Brown..he is one of a 100 senators. I am tired of this, you were wrong, Browns election had the desired result. I can sleep a little easier knowing that bill is no longer hanging over my head.

There will always be new battles for liberty and freedom...this is an ETERNAL struggle. I support liberty candidates because through them I can live free....however FREEDOM is what I am after. Throwing a vote away in Mass would have made me LESS free.

 

[klamath]

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[jmdrake]

Well here is the deal you were wrong about Browns election...it did stop health care. This was the first bunch of nonsense tossed around here....telling us that it would not matter that the bill would go through anyways. You were wrong...dead wrong. Now you are telling me what is going to happen next? You have a track record of being wrong....I will listen to other folks thank you very much.

It hasn't stopped healthcare. It might stop it. But it hasn't stopped it yet. Scott Brown clearly said that he would vote for the "core elements" of Obamacare. The "core element" that's left is the same "core element" that is in Romneycare that he already voted for. So if the democrats in the house and senate can put together a version that is acceptable to Brown, it passes. Like I said earlier, Brown sent up a trial balloon to see what the reaction would be to a betrayal by him. And rather than seizing on that and working to keep him in line, people like you are wasting energy trying to "prove yourself right". Why? What difference does it make what anybody on this forum thinks? The only thing that matters is keep pressure on slick politicians to make sure they don't follow through on the betrayal they've already told us they will do. The antiwar left should have kept pressure on Obama. Instead they took the "give him time" route and we all see what that got the country. The anti Obamacare right can't afford to make the same mistake. You want to pat yourself on the back? Fine. Cool. Crow about how "right" you are. But don't turn your back on this vulture. Don't take your eye off the ball.

 

[Liberty Star]

Did you vote for McCain?

That's a troubling question.

 

[Cap]

That's a troubling question.

Crickets chirping.

 

[MichelleHeart]

Two words for you, Scott Brown...

You lie!

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

It stopped Obama's health care bill..PIGLOSI says she does'nt have enough votes in the house...ENOUGH SAID..ya dullards! TONES

 

[FrankRep]

Did you vote for McCain?

I voted for Chuck Baldwin.

With the case of McCain, I see him as way more destructive than Obama.

 

[parocks]

This

Well, the truth is that most weren't paying attention to the Mass race until the precise moment that Joe Kennedy's chances became zero.

It's not exactly that people didn't recognize that Coakley was weak. It's that most people here didn't know there was a race at all. And it became a close race, and a victory for Brown, because Brown was a solid candidate, worked his butt off, the national conditions were right, etc etc.

I've mentioned before that I posted a thread with an interview with Joe Kennedy back on December 9. There was discussion of the race. A couple people said they'd support Brown, no one said that we should all support Kennedy or anything of the sort. I was mostly concerned that we not hurt Brown with our efforts. My recommendation, back December 10th was that money be given to Brown and grassroots volunteer help be given to Kennedy. I had just heard of Joe Kennedy at the time but thought he was the kind of guy that RPF would be interested in.

tangent4ronpaul pretty much had the race analyzed perfectly on December 10. He deserves a gold star for political analysis. Flash was on the right side as well. I was just starting to think my way through the race, and it's pretty clear looking back that Tangent had already thought about what was what.

Link to that thread - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2490195

 

[Peace&Freedom]

People here need a longer time horizon than the current special election. Yes for the moment, Obamacare is stalled. The bottom line, as Ron Paul himself has predicted, is that another version of Obamacare will get passed. Those who backed Brown have poured dollars and compromise down the GOP rathole for the umpteenth quazillionth time, to get a few months reprieve at most.

The future belongs not to those talking about merely delaying the latest socialist bill a few moments by voting for the ambivalent Brown taste of the month, but in electing the Pauls and Kennedys who are resolved to REVERSE the growth of the Total State. A vote for non-liberty candidate ALWAYS results in less freedom, in the long run.