Join, or Die

[Mini-Me]

In this thread, Anti Federalist wrote:

I support Orange Man as a symbol. A symbol, that for better or worse right now, represents the the entire range of thought from Ana-Caps to Neo-Cons and everything in between. The sea of people that, for the most part, want to be left alone to live their lives, with a minimum of government interference, control and regulation and peaceful co-existence with their neighbors, without sticking their noses in their business.

The Hair Plugged Man is a symbol as well, of the sea of people that consider that very idea, selfish, self centered, tainted with all the assorted "isms" and guilty of befouling the planet. This sea of people have been taught that any system that allows people to live in this manner, only exists because it is a prop to perpetuate the "isms", and it cannot be reformed, but must be destroyed, and the people in it, re-educated, by force and exterminated if they fail to comply and show the proper deference and awe to the Exalted Leader.

And these two visions of society cannot co-exist together.

One must prevail and the other must be crushed.

He is absolutely correct about the polarization between two visions. There is another realpolitik globalist totalitarian vision lurking behind the ideological communist useful idiots, but that's beside the point.

The point is, the battle for liberty is no longer about libertarians and Constitutionalists vs. everybody else, fighting a noble quest against the tightening of the noose within a never-ending status quo. It is now about Americans vs. globalist totalitarians and their minions. It is about good vs. evil in the endgame, and the evil is so overwhelmingly pervasive that only converting back to Christianity has helped me comprehend its magnitude and bear its weight.

I can no longer in good conscience consider libertarians and Constitutionalists my only allies. In fact, so many are so rigid and blind to the sheer magnitude of what is happening that despite our shared ideals about the narrow role of government, I no longer feel much kinship with them at all.

My allies are now every single good-faith American willing to stand tall and roar for free and fair elections in the face of corrupt totalitarians. My allies are now every single good-faith Christian on Earth, because a time of persecution may be coming swiftly. My allies are now every single person on Earth willing to sacrifice anything short of their souls to reject the New World Order's Great Reset and what follows. It's on the cover of Time Magazine this week, you know. Their promotional material is really something: "You will own nothing. And you will be happy."

It is time for the people of the world to join together as one unified voice against this madness. Only if we survive as a civilization, let alone a nation, will the differences between honest conservatives, liberals, and libertarians ever matter again. I'll take a single naive wide-eyed "back-the-blue" Kyle Rittenhouse or a liberal Tim Pool over a thousand fence-sitting ideological libertarian know-it-all mockers any day. It is plainly apparent who does more good in this world.

We should all be far beyond caring that Orange Man Bad is a big-spending soft authoritarian with a wrongly expansive view of government, because it doesn't matter anymore. At this point he is the only living man on Earth with the resolve and leadership qualities to unite millions of honest Americans against the monstrous designs of the New World Order. I'll stand with him proudly to that end, and I'll laugh at his obnoxious character flaws, because life is better with irony.

I'll take a single Rand Paul or Archbishop Vigano willing to stand up with Orange Caesar over a million forum posting basement dwellers with impeccable NAP scorecards and better monetary/foreign/fiscal/whatever policy recommendations. Those of you who consider this fight uninteresting or morally beneath you are as admirable as the Pharisees who Jesus Christ called whitewashed tombs.

I may never forget 2008, but at this point I'll take Rudy "The Ghoul" Giuliani over half this forum. As of this week I might even take the corrupt and self-enriching Newt Gingrich. At least he's willing to put his neck out and stand up for something! Despite silence from the globalist collaborators among the DOJ, RNC, and his colleagues, do you know who else was willing to sacrifice $500k for this fight? Lindsey Graham! The swamp may be deep, but it is far more complex that we used to think. As it turns out, some of our former enemies are actually real people, and somewhere deep down they still have some American in them. The real battle lines are being drawn now, and they aren't always what we thought they were.

This is a battle of God vs. Satan, and God works through extremely flawed people, not just the Ron Pauls of the world. I'll take them all, and I'll forgive them for their flaws, because for at least this one time in their lives, they are willing to show some basic decency and courage. At this point, it is their example that we must follow.

Join, or die. May God forgive us our sins and sloth and deliver us from evil in this dark hour, so that we may escape the terror that awaits us if we fail.

 

[devil21]

What you don't seem to understand is that all of the names you listed are all on the same team, working toward that vision that you mentioned in your first sentence. Any opposition is for show. I mean really, 9/11 Rudy? Seriously? Come on man.

Bidens attended WEF Davos. Trump did too. Kushner and Pompeo quietly attended Bilderberg last year. So did Stacy Abrams. And "libertarian" Peter Thiel. Wise up brother. The battle here is Americans vs them. No publicly presented "face" is there unless it is fully controlled and on board.

 

[Slave Mentality]

What you don't seem to understand is that all of the names you listed are all on the same team, working toward that vision that you mentioned in your first sentence. Any opposition is for show. I mean really, 9/11 Rudy? Seriously? Come on man.

Bidens attended WEF Davos. Trump did too. Kushner and Pompeo quietly attended Bilderberg last year. So did Stacy Abrams. And "libertarian" Peter Thiel. Wise up brother. The battle here is Americans vs them. No publicly presented "face" is there unless it is fully controlled and on board.

Word. I would take 10,000 forum posters sitting around bitching and doing NOTHING over one Rudy doing SOMETHING. One is much deadlier than the other.

Edit: I get where you are going, OP. I feel the same about most of it. Many have tried to convince me that there were political answers to political problems. I strongly disagree.

 

[TheCount]

I may never forget 2008, but at this point I'll take Rudy "The Ghoul" Giuliani over half this forum.

As of this week I might even take the corrupt and self-enriching Newt Gingrich. At least he's willing to put his neck out and stand up for something! Despite silence from the globalist collaborators among the DOJ, RNC, and his colleagues, do you know who else was willing to sacrifice $500k for this fight? Lindsey Graham!

How brave of Graham to "sacrifice" $500k of other peoples' money. Please clap.

The swamp may be deep, but it is far more complex that we used to think. As it turns out, some of our former enemies are actually real people, and somewhere deep down they still have some American in them. The real battle lines are being drawn now, and they aren't always what we thought they were.

This is a battle of God vs. Satan, and God works through extremely flawed people, not just the Ron Pauls of the world. I'll take them all, and I'll forgive them for their flaws, because for at least this one time in their lives, they are willing to show some basic decency and courage. At this point, it is their example that we must follow.

The people that you are talking about are naked grifters who will say and do anything that will result in their personal benefit. They haven't change, and they haven't revealed themselves to be something other than what they used to be. They haven't changed, you have. If you go back to 2008, 2005, 2003, or 2001, and view the entire world through your current "us vs them" / "good vs evil" / "God vs Satan" lens, then Giuliani and Graham and Gingrich were all fantastic patriots then too.

Join, or die.

No.

 

[Mini-Me]

How brave of Graham to "sacrifice" $500k of other peoples' money. Please clap.




The people that you are talking about are naked grifters who will say and do anything that will result in their personal benefit. They haven't change, and they haven't revealed themselves to be something other than what they used to be. They haven't changed, you have. If you go back to 2008, 2005, 2003, or 2001, and view the entire world through your current "us vs them" / "good vs evil" / "God vs Satan" lens, then Giuliani and Graham and Gingrich were all fantastic patriots then too.




No.

You're right that I've changed, but times and circumstances have changed as well. I didn't expect you to understand. My post is for the people who actually care what happens to this country, and I've known that's not you for a very long time.

 

[TheCount]

I didn't expect you to understand. My post is for the people who actually care what happens to this country, and I've known that's not you for a very long time.

It must be extremely easy living in a world where the only measure of people's caring and goodness is whether or not they agree with you.

 

[Mini-Me]

What you don't seem to understand is that all of the names you listed are all on the same team, working toward that vision that you mentioned in your first sentence. Any opposition is for show. I mean really, 9/11 Rudy? Seriously? Come on man.

Bidens attended WEF Davos. Trump did too. Kushner and Pompeo quietly attended Bilderberg last year. So did Stacy Abrams. And "libertarian" Peter Thiel. Wise up brother. The battle here is Americans vs them. No publicly presented "face" is there unless it is fully controlled and on board.

Yes, devil21. 9/11 Rudy. He may be wrong on foreign policy and a slimy jerk, but that doesn't mean that he's an enemy in every possible situation. I'm not saying he's trustworthy. I'm saying he's a net positive for America this month.

What you don't seem to understand is that pathological thinking that assumes "they're all on the same team" is just a mental model of reality, not reality itself. Reality itself is far more complicated, and projecting an overly simplistic and rigid mental model onto the world without nuance is nothing but a defense mechanism against the difficulty of higher-resolution evaluation.

President Trump makes a lot of bad picks for advisors. Ron Paul did too. You know what else they share in common? Unprecedented persecution by the establishment. That's a much stronger sign of who Trump is than his attendance at the WEF: I never expected he'd be the kind of guy to reject attendance on principle. He's a pragmatist. What I do expect is that he's an American and not a globalist, and it shows in his actions. He's also far too narcissistic to ever, EVER play the "punching bag" role for show. Not all opposition is for show, and Trump is the real thing, whatever differences we have with him.

Rand Paul attended Bilderberg once too. Maybe you mistrust him as well, but here's the thing: Just like there is a cost to trusting someone that you shouldn't, there is a cost to assuming everyone is your enemy...and that is being isolated and powerless against your definite enemy to the point of guaranteed loss. There are worse things in this world than the possibility of being made someone's fool. I am not going to hide in my basement while the world burns because I'm too afraid to fight alongside anyone for fear of betrayal. Life requires risk, and I accept that whether you will or not.

 

[Mini-Me]

It must be extremely easy living in a world where the only measure of people's caring and goodness is whether or not they agree with you.

It must be extremely easy living in a world where you can disingenuously straw man the hell out of people and never feel any shame for it. When you find yourself being smug and condescending in everything you write for years on end, you might want to start looking at yourself in a mirror.

 

[Mini-Me]

Word. I would take 10,000 forum posters sitting around bitching and doing NOTHING over one Rudy doing SOMETHING. One is much deadlier than the other.

Edit: I get where you are going, OP. I feel the same about most of it. Many have tried to convince me that there were political answers to political problems. I strongly disagree.

I used to agree with the top part...but now, inaction is death. When the New World Order is starving, persecuting, and killing people you know and love, you might then come to have some perspective about what real tyranny is.

 

[kahless]

What you don't seem to understand is that all of the names you listed are all on the same team, working toward that vision that you mentioned in your first sentence. Any opposition is for show. I mean really, 9/11 Rudy? Seriously? Come on man.

Bidens attended WEF Davos. Trump did too. Kushner and Pompeo quietly attended Bilderberg last year. So did Stacy Abrams. And "libertarian" Peter Thiel. Wise up brother. The battle here is Americans vs them. No publicly presented "face" is there unless it is fully controlled and on board.

What is weird is people seemed to get this years ago here but I was not onboard until I learned the truth for myself.

 

[cjm]

Don’t confuse OpSec for fence sitting or doing nothing.

 

[Anti Federalist]

The point is, the battle for liberty is no longer about libertarians and Constitutionalists vs. everybody else, fighting a noble quest against the tightening of the noose within a never-ending status quo. It is now about Americans vs. globalist totalitarians and their minions. It is about good vs. evil in the endgame, and the evil is so overwhelmingly pervasive that only converting back to Christianity has helped me comprehend its magnitude and bear its weight.

I can no longer in good conscience consider libertarians and Constitutionalists my only allies. In fact, so many are so rigid and blind to the sheer magnitude of what is happening that despite our shared ideals about the narrow role of government, I no longer feel much kinship with them at all.

My allies are now every single good-faith American willing to stand tall and roar for free and fair elections in the face of corrupt totalitarians. My allies are now every single good-faith Christian on Earth, because a time of persecution may be coming swiftly. My allies are now every single person on Earth willing to sacrifice anything short of their souls to reject the New World Order's Great Reset and what follows. It's on the cover of Time Magazine this week, you know. Their promotional material is really something: "You will own nothing. And you will be happy."

It is time for the people of the world to join together as one unified voice against this madness. Only if we survive as a civilization, let alone a nation, will the differences between honest conservatives, liberals, and libertarians ever matter again. I'll take a single naive wide-eyed "back-the-blue" Kyle Rittenhouse or a liberal Tim Pool over a thousand fence-sitting ideological libertarian know-it-all mockers any day. It is plainly apparent who does more good in this world.

We should all be far beyond caring that Orange Man Bad is a big-spending soft authoritarian with a wrongly expansive view of government, because it doesn't matter anymore. At this point he is the only living man on Earth with the resolve and leadership qualities to unite millions of honest Americans against the monstrous designs of the New World Order. I'll stand with him proudly to that end, and I'll laugh at his obnoxious character flaws, because life is better with irony.

I'll take a single Rand Paul or Archbishop Vigano willing to stand up with Orange Caesar over a million forum posting basement dwellers with impeccable NAP scorecards and better monetary/foreign/fiscal/whatever policy recommendations.

Those of you who consider this fight uninteresting or morally beneath you are as admirable as the Pharisees who Jesus Christ called whitewashed tombs.

I may never forget 2008, but at this point I'll take Rudy "The Ghoul" Giuliani over half this forum. As of this week I might even take the corrupt and self-enriching Newt Gingrich. At least he's willing to put his neck out and stand up for something! Despite silence from the globalist collaborators among the DOJ, RNC, and his colleagues, do you know who else was willing to sacrifice $500k for this fight? Lindsey Graham! The swamp may be deep, but it is far more complex that we used to think. As it turns out, some of our former enemies are actually real people, and somewhere deep down they still have some American in them. The real battle lines are being drawn now, and they aren't always what we thought they were.

This is a battle of God vs. Satan, and God works through extremely flawed people, not just the Ron Pauls of the world. I'll take them all, and I'll forgive them for their flaws, because for at least this one time in their lives, they are willing to show some basic decency and courage. At this point, it is their example that we must follow.

Join, or die. May God forgive us our sins and sloth and deliver us from evil in this dark hour, so that we may escape the terror that awaits us if we fail.

 

[Mini-Me]

Don’t confuse OpSec for fence sitting or doing nothing.

Fair point, but OpSec isn't mutually exclusive with getting organized and vocal to create social proof for a "will not comply" attitude. PerSec might be. There's a tradeoff between influencing people and making yourself a target prematurely, but divided we fall.

 

[Mini-Me]

Not gonna lie: A big part of the reason I made this thread was to give you some much-deserved backup. You've been talking sense for years.

 

[spudea]

What you don't seem to understand is that all of the names you listed are all on the same team, working toward that vision that you mentioned in your first sentence. Any opposition is for show. I mean really, 9/11 Rudy? Seriously? Come on man.

Bidens attended WEF Davos. Trump did too. Kushner and Pompeo quietly attended Bilderberg last year. So did Stacy Abrams. And "libertarian" Peter Thiel. Wise up brother. The battle here is Americans vs them. No publicly presented "face" is there unless it is fully controlled and on board.

He is saying that hard choices must be made. Sitting on the sidelines because you don't like certain people that are leading the charge is folly. The original 13 colonies faced a similar choice i.e. "we must stand together or we will certainly hang separately"

The changes that the Democrats have planned will nail the coffin on any pro liberty candidate in the future, and hasten the road to full on European socialism.

 

[Ender]

He is saying that hard choices must be made. Sitting on the sidelines because you don't like certain people that are leading the charge is folly. The original 13 colonies faced a similar choice i.e. "we must stand together or we will certainly hang separately"

The changes that the Democrats have planned will nail the coffin on any pro liberty candidate in the future, and hasten the road to full on European socialism.

What [MENTION=2727]devil21[/MENTION] is saying is that at the top there is no fucking difference between Dems & Repubs.

And, he's right.

 

[Mini-Me]

He is saying that hard choices must be made. Sitting on the sidelines because you don't like certain people that are leading the charge is folly. The original 13 colonies faced a similar choice i.e. "we must stand together or we will certainly hang separately"

The changes that the Democrats have planned will nail the coffin on any pro liberty candidate in the future, and hasten the road to full on European socialism.

Honestly, I'm pretty convinced that European socialism is nothing more than bait for the trap. We're headed somewhere much darker, and so are they as soon as the United States falls completely under globalist control. Without a miracle, we're in our death throes now.

 

[Mini-Me]

What [MENTION=2727]devil21[/MENTION] is saying is that at the top there is no $#@!ing difference between Dems & Repubs.

And, he's right.

No, Ender. There are differences that were too subtle to notice in 2008, but they've become more apparent now to anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear. Most of the RNC is globalist like the DNC, but the factions are real, even among our enemies. Mitch McConnell won't fare well for long under a packed Supreme Court where the Democrats can win any election ever.

Moreover, painting in broad brushes erases individuality. Rand Paul is different. Thomas Massie is different. We can better see the difference in them because they align with us politically, but they are not the only ones. Donald Trump, despite not being libertarian, and despite being Donald Trump, is also different from the cabal. Just because they don't draw their lines in the same place as us, does not mean none of them have any lines at all.

The drama unfolding right now is genuine and historic, and it will have an extraordinary impact on the lives of our children. If we cling to our jaded worldview and fail to recognize the seriousness of the changes that have taken place, we may doom a hundred generations to a slavery worse than anything yet seen on this planet.

 

[axiomata]

This is a battle of God vs. Satan, and God works through extremely flawed people, not just the Ron Pauls of the world.

Agreed. Including through the extremely flawed Joe Biden if that's how things end up.

"Join, or die" is supposedly a rallying cry. But if your argument is "Come on join me! We got Rudy on our side! (He's better than half the Ron Paul foot soldiers here.)" then sorry for not feeling especially motivated.

But maybe you didn't mean it as a rallying cry. Maybe you meant it as a threat.

 

[Ender]

No, Ender. There are differences that were too subtle to notice in 2008, but they've become more apparent now to anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear. Most of the RNC is globalist like the DNC, but the factions are real, even among our enemies. Mitch McConnell won't fare well for long under a packed Supreme Court where the Democrats can win any election ever.

Moreover, painting in broad brushes erases individuality. Rand Paul is different. Thomas Massie is different. We can better see the difference in them because they align with us politically, but they are not the only ones. Donald Trump, despite not being libertarian, and despite being Donald Trump, is also different from the cabal. Just because they don't draw their lines in the same place as us, does not mean they have no lines at all.

I've never seen any difference in Trump & TPTB- only his bratty mouth.

Pretty sure he & the Clintons were on the same page in the last election- especially since he had a meeting with them before the run. And, obviously, she's not locked up.