Gary Johnson Johnson might go third party

KingRobbStark said:
Why do you support Ron Paul?
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Because Ron Paul is an agent of compromise. He is capable of building a coalition able to win the GOP nod. If I didn't think he was capable of such I wouldn't support him, as I wouldn't support any candidate incapable of winning the nod.
 
sailingaway said:
that doesn't attract me. If that is the direction the Libertarian party goes, I won't be interested.
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So you're not interested in being a part of a political party. That's cool. But recognize that a political party is a political party.
 
Verrater said:
This is what is wrong in America. Compromise on what you believe or be ignored.
I'd rather see a country that actually chose and chose poorly, than a country where your choice doesn't matter.
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There are 300,000,000 people in this country. In order to have a republican form of government individuals need to come together to elect people to office. There's no way around it - politics is compromise.
 
Um, you're aware that there's a necessary contradiction between your two answers, right? Anyone capable of building a coalition is an agent of compromise.

To wit - I don't agree with every word out of Ron Paul's mouth, but I support him. I'd wager that 99% of people who support him disagree with him in some way, shape, or form. These individuals all compromise with their individual ideologies in order to support him for office.
 
Nathan Hale said:
Um, you're aware that there's a necessary contradiction between your two answers, right? Anyone capable of building a coalition is an agent of compromise.

To wit - I don't agree with every word out of Ron Paul's mouth, but I support him. I'd wager that 99% of people who support him disagree with him in some way, shape, or form. These individuals all compromise with their individual ideologies in order to support him for office.
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Yeah dude, I read it wrong. I read it as RON was about compromising. You can go back to arguing for politicians to compromise now.

Out of interest, do you work for the Libertarian Party?
 
im pretty sure bj lawson is running for a NC seat. RJ Harris is running for the LP nom. though.
 
bluesc said:
Yeah dude, I read it wrong. I read it as RON was about compromising. You can go back to arguing for politicians to compromise now.
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And you would prefer that politicians simply stand aside and allow statism to run rampant, all in the name of keeping their philosophical hands clean? Politics is compromise. Both for voters and elected officials. If you can't pass your agenda, your agenda is meaningless.

Out of interest, do you work for the Libertarian Party?
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A long time ago I did. Unfortunately, the libertarian party isn't a political party, and has no desire to become one. So I bailed.
 
Nathan Hale said:
And you would prefer that politicians simply stand aside and allow statism to run rampant, all in the name of keeping their philosophical hands clean? Politics is compromise. Both for voters and elected officials. If you can't pass your agenda, your agenda is meaningless.
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Compromise is what caused this bipartisan raping of freedom. Funny how the man with the most conviction is the one who never voted for any of these bad bills that the two parties compromised to create. Ron passed his audit the fed bill by educating voters, he didn't compromise at all. One of the reasons the voters of all backgrounds come to him is his conviction. They are sick of compromise.


Nathan Hale said:
A long time ago I did. Unfortunately, the libertarian party isn't a political party, and has no desire to become one. So I bailed.
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I stopped supporting them for moving in the direction you wanted them to. You might feel more at home there now.
 
I agree some with Nathan Hale up there^. Politics is an exercise in compromise. The LP is more of a circular debating and mutual admiration society than a political party. Ideologically, I am closer to (some factions, at least) the LP. If you want to be involved in actual politics ( which I haven't always been interested in- I sat out 2004-2008) Rs and Ds are really the only game in town. Ron Paul is the best politician. I don't agree with him 100%, and frankly there are some things that I really dislike. But he's easily the best in the game. He also DOES "play politics" if you will, despite anyone's utopian blindness to that, and he does balance different bases of support, and has been for 35 years.
 
bluesc said:
Compromise is what caused this bipartisan raping of freedom.
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Compromise was the tool that allowed this raping of freedom, but it didn't cause this raping of freedom. Unfortunately, politics is compromise. If we seek to use the political system to regain freedom, we'll need to use compromise as well.

Funny how the man with the most conviction is the one who never voted for any of these bad bills that the two parties compromised to create. Ron passed his audit the fed bill by educating voters, he didn't compromise at all. One of the reasons the voters of all backgrounds come to him is his conviction. They are sick of compromise.
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The man who seeks to end the fed passes a bill that merely audits the fed. That's compromise. And it worked.

I stopped supporting them for moving in the direction you wanted them to. You might feel more at home there now.
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If only the Reform the LP movement actually won out, the LP might be on the road to becoming a viable party. Alas, they never finished the job.
 
Nathan Hale said:
Compromise was the tool that allowed this raping of freedom, but it didn't cause this raping of freedom. Unfortunately, politics is compromise. If we seek to use the political system to regain freedom, we'll need to use compromise as well.



The man who seeks to end the fed passes a bill that merely audits the fed. That's compromise. And it worked.


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Yes, Ron will compromise but only going in the right direction. Incrementalism, possibly, but not letting things get worse. for example, his budget plan doesn't cut social security or medicare, which he sees as contract issues, however, unconstitutional the programs are, but it balances the budget in 3 years and lets kids under 25 opt out. But he would NOT compromise by only raising the spending by X instead of 5X. He won't INCREASE the evil, in whatever category of evil you are discussing.

Humanitarian wars increase the evil, as does NAFTA etc
 
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sailingaway said:
Yes, Ron will compromise but only going in the right direction. Incrementalism, possibly, but not letting things get worse. for example, his budget plan doesn't cut social security or medicare, which he sees as contract issues, however, unconstitutional the programs are, but it balances the budget in 3 years and lets kids under 25 opt out. But he would NOT compromise by only raising the spending by X instead of 5X. He won't INCREASE the evil, in whatever category of evil you are discussing.

Humanitarian wars increase the evil, as does NAFTA etc
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Specific issues vary by individual - EVEN WITHIN THIS MOVEMENT. What matters is that we compromise between ourselves to support our candidate. I disagree with some of Ron's positions, I even consider a few to be increases in evil - but that's irrelevant to this discussion. I support Ron for the same reason I support Gary and many others out there - because their net contribution is by far in my favor. We need to stop seeing 20% enemies and start seeing 80% allies, or we will never get anywhere.
 
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