John McCain Will Not Win The GOP Nomination in St. Paul

[Working Poor]

If someone tells me something can't be done I have to reject it. In my life I have have seen what others have called impossible happen so many times.

I release the words "Ron Paul will win" to the universe it might take a while for these words to return and be fruitful but it is not impossible. Words have power.

People all over the world are closely watching this election they all want to be free. I believe in and support the power of the people of the whole world that want freedom and dream about it and seek it for themselves.

My husband says I always make my own rules I only have one that is:

nothing is impossible

 

[Revolution9]

McCain being the nominee 99.9999999999999999999999999999999
Ron Paul being the nominee 00.0000000000000000000000000000001


sorry bout it, stop spreading false hope, go get brent sanders elected.

Go smoke a joint junior. Yer too young to be a miserable old fart.

HTH
Randy

 

[Revolution9]

I appreciate the enthusiasm, but the facts are wrong.

Yeah.. She omitted the advanced alzheimers. Ya know..pissing his pants, talking to tables and ceilings, violent shakes, addressing noncoms as General.. Missing endocrine system glands.. The man is i serious health decline.

HTH
Randy

 

[nc4rp]

well the current Hard Total accorrding to the green papers is only 388 for Mcain. i think the number they have on the TV news is a hyped-up total.

check out http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/R.phtml they are pretty much on top of things from what i hear.

theres another post about a nationwide TV commercial right before the convention to encourage delegates to choose Ron Paul at the RNC. That could be the leverage that could pin it down. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=128436

many chances for strange twists of fate between now and RNC.

 

[JMann]

Ron Paul couldn't even put together a plan to win what you refer to as fake, rigged elections. If his frankly, incompetent campaign staff can't put together better than a 5th place showing in a fake, rigged plan how would we expect them to actually win something legit?

Ron Paul ran an absolutely awful campaign and the candidate failed to ever even step up and defend his views in the debates. For those political neophytes that think it is the message and not the candidate you will learn after a little more experience that it is ONLY about the candidate and the message is just filler.

 

[seapilot]

It is interesting that , at least at the Alaska state convention the firm McCain supporters were put to the back of the pack and were really few in number.

Mostly Romney , Huckabee and of course RP hopefulls took the majority of delegates to the National convention as well as most the alternates. The known McCain supporters (few present) were listed at the bottom of the alternate delegates.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

The Democrats would easily paint Paul as an extremist. Look what Obama's preacher is doing to him. Now add some 9/11 truthers and white supremacists, multiply it by 10, and you've got what will happen to Ron Paul. Ron Paul didn't get enough votes to matter in the Republican primary process. He's lost. Just face it. Now I'll stop so I don't get banned for telling the truth.

Why don't you stop slandering half the movement who support 9-11 truth with that casually canting smear phrase, "9/11 truthers and white supremacists." Why don't I say, 'now add some Federal Reserve bashers and white supremacists, multiply it by 10, and you've got what will happen to Ron Paul.' Get the point? The establishment has the same opinion about Paul's attacking the fed, the IRS, the NAU, the Civil War et al---it's ALL 'loopy' or the same thing to them as 'white supremacists.' STOP FEEDING IN TO THEIR MARGINALIZATION techniques. ALL the widespread concerns of this movement are legitimate, including 9-11.

Paul was BLOCKED from getting votes in the primaries by the media blackout and voting machine fraud. Admittedly he has only a slight chance of the nomination, but it's a real chance---don't you understand, if the delegate situation was exactly reversed, with Paul having the nominal delegates, but McCain or Romney with a chance to win by gathering remaining delegates and working towards a brokered convention, that the MSM would be hyping up the latter? Stop letting the big media define our expectations. We only win this revolution if we wisely define our own chances. THAT is the truth.

 

[Midnight77]

Paul was BLOCKED from getting votes in the primaries by the media blackout

This hurt. No doubt about it.

and voting machine fraud.

Do you have proof of this, or is this another baseless accusation?

Admittedly he has only a slight chance of the nomination, but it's a real chance---don't you understand, if the delegate situation was exactly reversed, with Paul having the nominal delegates, but McCain or Romney with a chance to win by gathering remaining delegates and working towards a brokered convention, that the MSM would be hyping up the latter? Stop letting the big media define our expectations. We only win this revolution if we wisely define our own chances. THAT is the truth.

No, it isn't a real chance. It's called grasping at straws. Ron himself said as much that he isn't getting the nomination, but apparently many of his supporters are too delusional to accept it. What evidence do you have that we are headed towards a brokered convention? It's not happening. McCain has the delegates, and there is no evidence that remotely suggests they would switch from him to a candidate that has not even won a single state.

And as far as wisely defining our own chances, I would agree with that. I would suggest we start doing that, since it is obvious to the rest of the country, except apparently a handful of Ron's supporters (who didn't even cause a dent in the Primaries) ... that McCain is the Republican Nominee.

Continue the movement, but it's time to come back to Planet Earth and accept reality.

 

[TruthAtLast]

The Paul campaign has NOTHING to lose!

You're right. The campaign has nothing to lose.

But the MOVEMENT has EVERYTHING to lose. Some of these people are focusing 100% of their energy on this "delegate trojan horse" scenario and we will be left will practically nothing if it fails. Notice I didn't say "when" it fails because I applaud the effort and yes, there is always a chance no matter how slim.

But why put all eggs in one basket when there are Liberty candidates begging for support and ready to start taking over Congress? THAT is the battlefront of this Movement.

It isn't bringing down the moral of supporters to tell them to focus on both. I'm excited about how far the Movement has come and the opportunity we have. My gosh, having a dozen or so Pauliticians in Congress would be awesome. And even through the delegate process, having the ability to possibly change the platform and some of the rules for the next election.... yes that is VERY exciting and will help us SO much in 2012.

But how much MORE demoralizing would it be if the plan doesn't work and we had no other strategy in place? How much more demoralizing will it be if we find that we've been defeated at the National Convention AND our Liberty candidates have been defeated as well because they never got the support they so desperately needed?

We just can't be so narrow sighted to think that this long-shot strategy is the ONLY thing we should be focusing on. Ron Paul himself knows this.

 

[Banana]

I want to point out something about delegate strategy-

Even if Paul didn't get nomination, having a strong showing means that 1) we can influence the party, 2) we have a chance to take on some official positions within the party.

Those two things would make it much easier for other liberty candidates to get on the board. Delegates gives us a door to be able to work from within.

Nomination isn't the only objective, and I think everyone knows this, considering how many they got resolutions passed ranging from no confidence in McCain or swearing to obey Constitution...

Winning isn't really binary here, nothing like a football game where when you lose, you lose or you win, you win, game over, finis.

 

[Kotin]

do both!

be a delegate and support Brent and Murray and BJ etc...

 

[Banana]

do both!

be a delegate and support Brent and Murray and BJ etc...

So true. Being delegates doesn't cost money (except for the transportation up to state level, and national is a bit more expensive), so they don't conflict.

 

[TruthAtLast]

do both!

be a delegate and support Brent and Murray and BJ etc...

QFT

+1,000,000 lottery tickets

 

[Zera]

Are the chances for Paul winning high? Certainly not. McCain does have a very good chance. But all of it? No.

In just the passed day, we have found out two things. Missouri and Nevada is ours now. They were successful in the most populous counties of the state in sending mostly Paul supporters to the state convention. If this is continued in other states in the nation, our chance will continue to rise.

 

[Zera]

Also, I'd like it if what I just said would be notified to more people. It seems that quite a few members here are spreading false things such as "Paul will not get the nomination, it's impossible." As I made it clear in the last post, there is a chance, even if it's not entirely huge. We're making progress, anyway.

 

[puppetmaster]

Are the chances for Paul winning high? Certainly not. McCain does have a very good chance. But all of it? No.

In just the passed day, we have found out two things. Missouri and Nevada is ours now. They were successful in the most populous counties of the state in sending mostly Paul supporters to the state convention. If this is continued in other states in the nation, our chance will continue to rise.

Zera, I like your optimism but we have to be patient before we declare victory in Nevada.

 

[GoPaul08]

What is this false hope bullshit anyway? Are you going to kill yourself if you think Paul could win the nomination and he doesn't? I just don't get this quitter attitude talking about being realistic and false hope. You want false hope? Talk to an Obama supporter. The Paul campaign has NOTHING to lose! Im especially tweaked when a supporter like Hamadeh takes this attitude. You have been involved and done much more than MANY supporters have yet now when it truly matters you are posting to bring down morale. Whats up with that dude???

Perhapos Ron Paul has nothing to lose. But the FUTURE of his message has a whole lot to lose if his supporters all come across as crazy lunatics that everyone ignores. Anyone who talks about the nomination as if it is still obtatinable is...and again, I am being intentionally but accurately harsh...WORTHLESS to the cause.

Let's put it this way...take a public place with 5000 non-Ron Paul supporters in it. You and me go into that building with the SAME EXACT material. Same pamphlets, same slim jims, etc. WE say the EXACT same thing with one exception. You say "Ron Paul can still win the GOP nomination." I say "He didn't win the nomination this year, but that doesn't mean his message is dead."

Then we only give out our material to people who REQUEST it. No forcing it on someone who is not interested.

You are walking out of that building with every single pamphlet and slim jim that you came with. I would not be. And that is why you would be worthles to the cause.

 

[Hook]

McCain being the nominee 99.9999999999999999999999999999999
Ron Paul being the nominee 00.0000000000000000000000000000001


sorry bout it, stop spreading false hope, go get brent sanders elected.

Always the optimist.

 

[A Ron Paul Rebel]

Are the chances for Paul winning high? Certainly not. McCain does have a very good chance. But all of it? No.

In just the passed day, we have found out two things. Missouri and Nevada is ours now. They were successful in the most populous counties of the state in sending mostly Paul supporters to the state convention. If this is continued in other states in the nation, our chance will continue to rise.

I haven't heard too much from them in the last 24 hours

Go RON PAUL

I hope everyone is emailing their surround meetups!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(with successful strategies... even to neighboring states)

 

[Sandra]

It doesn't really matter if or what anybody posts positive on this forum, about 7 naysayer trolls pretending to be supporters (kinda) come on here and scream about being "realists" in the most in your face McCain love fest. These same people ONLY post this kind of stuff.