Joe Walsh: 'I'd rather have a socialist in the White House than a con man'

[2young2vote]

All socialists are con men. Socialist leaders always become rich, either with money or power - but usually both.

 

[Anti Federalist]

In the last 30 years, Sanders was a commie masquerading as a socialist.

In the last 5 years, Sanders was a commie masquerading as a "democratic socialist".

Trump is no Ron Paul but the old bastard the cut my taxes. Bernie will raise all taxes; personal, payroll, corporate, cap gains, climate change, inheritance, etc...

This +rep

Comrade Bernie is not a socialist, he is an authoritarian Marxist, a commie from the old school, a pro Soviet Leninist.

He has stated numerous times that he intends to kill my industry, prosecute me personally as a climate criminal, and sue my industry into nothingness.

He has legions of Bolshevik/Jacobinite followers that are on record advocating death camps and genocide.

I, and the remaining productive white class of America, are the targets of that genocide.

Trump has lowered my taxes, reduced workplace regulations and reduced regulatory fatwas that directly affect me.

Those are the facts as of February 2020.

I will be supporting Trump in the fall, barring drastic changes in those facts.

Any sane person, especially any sane white person, should be doing the same.

Anything to the contrary is just static, background noise and smoke.

Disregard it.

 

[106459]

How many people here agree with this?

joe-walsh-id-rather-have-a-socialist-in-the-white-house-than-a-con-man

You know, barring the extensive disagreement I have with the premise; even if I accepted Joe Walsh's argument for exactly what it was, he would still be wrong.

Anyone ever hear of this quote, from C.S. Lewis? Been around a while:

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.

Yeah. I'd rather take the con man. At least the notion of prosecution exists with that, that you know when he kills you it's out of malice. But somehow, the socialists and communists always get away with it, literal murder, because "they had the best of intentions". All while making themselves rich. And despite their bodycount being 100x higher. No thanks.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You really don't want the collapse to happen under a socialist totalitarian regime.

And I will do everything in my power to stop that​ from happening.

Exactly.

Collapsatarians know not that which they pursue.
"May you find that which you seek" is the greatest Chinese curse.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Socialist Totalitarian Twins Donald & Bernie.



Secret #1 - Trump raised your taxes...

Not mine.
Nor anyone else I know.

 

[Theocrat]

Both Are Socialists

Socialist Totalitarian Twins Donald & Bernie.



Secret #1 - Trump raised your taxes...

That video needs to be posted in the "Top News" portion of the forums, just to remind all of the Trump supporters here that we already have a Socialist in the White House.

 

[AngryCanadian]

That video needs to be posted in the "Top News" portion of the forums, just to remind all of the Trump supporters here that we already have a Socialist in the White House.

Well Bernie will be a far worst socialist by opening up the borders.

 

[RJB]

That video needs to be posted in the "Top News" portion of the forums, just to remind all of the Trump supporters here that we already have a Socialist in the White House.

The state I live in isn't perfect, but I am happy. I will gladly take the light socialism that we have (for now) rather than plummet into the dumpster diving system that Venezuela has.

 

[Swordsmyth]

The state I live in isn't perfect, but I am happy. I will gladly take the light socialism that we have (for now) rather than plummet into the dumpster diving system that Venezuela has.

I'll take the reduction that Trump is bringing.

 

[Theocrat]

Vote Away "the Lesser of Two Evils"

Well Bernie will be a far worst socialist by opening up the borders.

The state I live in isn't perfect, but I am happy. I will gladly take the light socialism that we have (for now) rather than plummet into the dumpster diving system that Venezuela has.

...Or how about we just stop supporting Socialism, period?

 

[Swordsmyth]

...Or how about we just stop supporting Socialism, period?

Snap your fingers and get rid of it for us.

The rest of us don't have magic powers and must work to limit and reduce it until it's gone.

 

[106459]

That video needs to be posted in the "Top News" portion of the forums, just to remind all of the Trump supporters here that we already have a Socialist in the White House.

So, I watched the video. Let me break it down:

First 5 minutes / secret#1:
Trump's "the act / personal income tax legislation":
-Trump changed CPI. Government assumes inflation is lower, less tax bracket adjustment. You get higher inflation raises, less tax bracket matching, end up paying more taxes.
-Social security: again, because government assumes less inflation .. social security is giving you less money. (less money returned to you).

Secret#2:
9:30: "IF Bernie Sanders spends like a drunken sailor"
-WTF man, this entire section had 0 point. In exactly what twisted fuckery of a world here is Trump campaigning for Feel the Bern 2020? This entire dialogue is built on a stupid premise and makes no sense.

Secret#3:
-There is no secret in this entire section. The dude goes off on a tangent about Hazlett's book (which is a great book), and it has nothing to do with Trump.
--In fact, his big secret was that "the rich don't hoard money, they invest it", meaning it goes to productive enterprise (Google, Apple, Tesla).
...So, why didn't the dude talk about how Trump's act cut the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21%? Oh, I guess that wouldn't fund his YouTube channel, would it?

So, to be blunt: that video was stupid.

Again, I can at least accept the premise of people arguing that Trump is a con man. To try to Argue that "Trump = Bernie" is stupid.

You know what the funniest part of this video was? I love that Trump found an underhanded way to cut Social Security. You know, the program that is destined for bankruptcy and that I'll never see a penny from, because it's doomed? Good. Let Social Security get bad press, that it's worthless, and have the word spread that these government programs suck.

The "con man" and any false promises of further tax cuts not happening, as opposed to Socialist Sandy getting his 90% tax rate is still looking pretty dang good right now.

 

[RJB]

...Or how about we just stop supporting Socialism, period?

No argument there, however acting like there is no difference between Trump and Hugo Chavez* is naively idealistic. I can say, that I would rather stay where we are at until we get rid of socialism, rather than feed my children out of a dumpster and pray we get better.


*Not that you said his name, but I am using an extreme example to make a point.

 

[Swordsmyth]

So, I watched the video. Let me break it down:

First 5 minutes / secret#1:
Trump's "the act / personal income tax legislation":
-Trump changed CPI. Government assumes inflation is lower, less tax bracket adjustment. You get higher inflation raises, less tax bracket matching, end up paying more taxes.
-Social security: again, because government assumes less inflation .. social security is giving you less money. (less money returned to you).

Secret#2:
9:30: "IF Bernie Sanders spends like a drunken sailor"
-WTF man, this entire section had 0 point. In exactly what twisted $#@!ery of a world here is Trump campaigning for Feel the Bern 2020? This entire dialogue is built on a stupid premise and makes no sense.

Secret#3:
-There is no secret in this entire section. The dude goes off on a tangent about Hazlett's book (which is a great book), and it has nothing to do with Trump.
--In fact, his big secret was that "the rich don't hoard money, they invest it", meaning it goes to productive enterprise (Google, Apple, Tesla).
...So, why didn't the dude talk about how Trump's act cut the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21%? Oh, I guess that wouldn't fund his YouTube channel, would it?

So, to be blunt: that video was stupid.

Again, I can at least accept the premise of people arguing that Trump is a con man. To try to Argue that "Trump = Bernie" is stupid.

You know what the funniest part of this video was? I love that Trump found an underhanded way to cut Social Security. You know, the program that is destined for bankruptcy and that I'll never see a penny from, because it's doomed? Good. Let Social Security get bad press, that it's worthless, and have the word spread that these government programs suck.

The "con man" and any false promises of further tax cuts not happening, as opposed to Socialist Sandy getting his 90% tax rate is still looking pretty dang good right now.

Trump is doing lots of good things against socialism but some people never give him credit for any of it.

Trump is moving us in the right direction and they want to let a communist collapse us and install a dictatorship because he isn't perfect and doesn't give them everything overnight.

 

[Swordsmyth]

No argument there, however acting like there is no difference between Trump and Hugo Chavez* is naively idealistic. I can say, that I would rather stay where we are at until we get rid of socialism, rather than feed my children out of a dumpster and pray we get better.


*Not that you said his name, but I am using an extreme example to make a point.

Bernie=Chavez

 

[RJB]

Bernie=Chavez

I know. I am trying to be nice.

 

[devil21]

And so it begins yet again....

The lesser of two evils arguments start.

No argument there, however acting like there is no difference between Trump and Hugo Chavez* is naively idealistic.

On the other hand, at least with Bernie you know what you're getting and maybe the GOP will go back to actually opposing socialism instead of embracing it like they do now with Trump. Though under Trump socialism has seen smooth sailing while the low-info types are distracted by performance theater impeachments and nothingburger Mueller reports. Paying billions to farmers? *applause from GOP* Supporting and signing the globalist NAU/TPP called USMCA? *applause from GOP* Record deficits *applause from GOP* ('cuz you know, soldiers and flags and freedum) Take the guns first and bump stock bans *applause from GOP*, etc. Most damage to conservative principles these days happens when a Republican is in the WH. It's only when a Dem is in office that conservatives wake up from their stupor and start paying attention again.

And now it's only February and we're already openly discussing the merits of a lying con man owned by Israel vs. a lying Marxist hypocrite. Yes America, this is where we're at. Man, the CFR bankers that run both parties sure are good at this.

 

[Swordsmyth]

And so it begins yet again....

The lesser of two evils arguments start.

Nope.

Trump is a minimal good.

 

[Theocrat]

We Don't Use Our Hands; We Use Our Feet

Snap your fingers and get rid of it for us.

The rest of us don't have magic powers and must work to limit and reduce it until it's gone.

It starts by repentance, turning away from ideas and principles which we know aren't going to advance the preservation of God-given rights. Clinging to individuals and organizations which hold to views that are contrary to preserving our rights (such as rights to own whatever firearms we wish, rights to the fruits of our labors without government interference for its own unbiblical and unconstitutional ends, etc.) don't rid us of Socialism. In fact, they drive us closer to it, by increments.

 

[Theocrat]

Change the Trajectory By Pumping the Brakes

No argument there, however acting like there is no difference between Trump and Hugo Chavez* is naively idealistic. I can say, that I would rather stay where we are at until we get rid of socialism, rather than feed my children out of a dumpster and pray we get better.


*Not that you said his name, but I am using an extreme example to make a point.

We're not going to get rid of Socialism by electing more "Donald Trumps." People like him have no intention of shrinking the size and scope of the federal government, and just because they take a longer time to bring us towards a full socialist society doesn't make them better than others who would step on the pedal to it. They're both heading in the same direction, just at different speeds.