Joe Biden: Illegal Immigrants Are 'Already Americans'

[Cabal]

Could someone explain to me how a Free Market Non Govt intervention solution could either work or fail?

Solution to what, specifically?

 

[MRK]

There will be irony when the people who want closed borders realize how bad the US is start trying to leave.

 

[MRK]

I also fully expect the closed borderers to never step foot in another country, in order to remain consistent of course.

 

[puppetmaster]

The 'law' meaning what? What is statutorily codified by any one of countless bureaucracies? What is agreed upon by the majority? What is traditional?

And what does, "for one," mean?

What's your second point, if not breaking the law? I ask this seriously: What is outside of your, "for one"? A traffic stop? Walking? Having a particular pigmentation?

What is, "for two"?

Damn you're really stretching. You asked a question I answered. If the person breaks the law. Do you really need me to give you examples?,,,,,murder rape theft injury...etc get real.

I have answered your question and you want to attack things I did not even say ???

 

[PRB]

Could someone explain to me how a Free Market Non Govt intervention solution could either work or fail?

what's the goal again? to live in a country free from Spanish speaking Mexicans?

 

[PRB]

Damn you're really stretching. You asked a question I answered. If the person breaks the law. Do you really need me to give you examples?,,,,,murder rape theft injury...etc get real.

I have answered your question and you want to attack things I did not even say ???

ok, so when a person commits a crime, fair enough. in context of a person not committing a crime, you'd agree a policeman has no business asking people if they are citizens?

 

[PRB]

Sometimes I think people are rather unread and unprincipled.

i think they're principled, you just don't know their agenda.

 

[Lord Xar]

Sometimes I think people are rather unread and unprincipled.

I've had many a conversation in the past with open border (no border), free range advocates. And it always amazes me that they can have this utopian no border mentality while the welfare state rages on. If you actually believe we can have NO borders, while maintaining this welfare state - and at the same time, have liberty/freedom win out, you are drinking some powerful kool-aid. I live in California, and this is a reflection of what is happening across the United States. The country won't bend libertarian.. it will go hard left.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

These people represent a massive potential voting block. That's the only reason Joe Biden or any other politician is talking about this stuff.

All of their words and arguments are simply their attempt to dress up and sell this predetermined point of view that directly benefits them. Thus all of these arguments can be rejected out of hand. There's no reason to take them seriously.

 

[puppetmaster]

ok, so when a person commits a crime, fair enough. in context of a person not committing a crime, you'd agree a policeman has no business asking people if they are citizens?

Agree.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Damn you're really stretching. You asked a question I answered. If the person breaks the law. Do you really need me to give you examples?,,,,,murder rape theft injury...etc get real.

I have answered your question and you want to attack things I did not even say ???

The context of what you were posting, at least as I understood it, was that being here "illegally" was breaking the law. Thus the police have the authority to stop people they are suspicious of as being "illegal" immigrants and ask them for identification.

That is a very authoritarian concept.

If I misunderstood your post as it was simply a generalization of when can the police request/require ID, then I apologize.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

I've had many a conversation in the past with open border (no border), free range advocates. And it always amazes me that they can have this utopian no border mentality while the welfare state rages on. If you actually believe we can have NO borders, while maintaining this welfare state - and at the same time, have liberty/freedom win out, you are drinking some powerful kool-aid. I live in California, and this is a reflection of what is happening across the United States. The country won't bend libertarian.. it will go hard left.

That same argument could be made for anything moving towards freedom.

Liberty/freedom probably isn't going to win out anyways, at least not nationally and certainly not before the collapsing of this monetary system (which will probably lead to a more global socialist/fascist system.... and not because of the immigrant's vote, per se, as your fellow Americans will be voting for it all the same).

I'd rather not have some fascist pig-fuck inquiring about my residence while I'm here, though. It's amazing really. Let's continue subsidizing the unproductive to round up the productive and send them out of this country.

 

[Ender]

It all depends on what "work" and "fail" mean to you.

It's somewhat of a complex scenario to write out.

End the legal tender laws. End the regulatory system. Let wages rise and fall with the demand of said labor. End the IRS. Encourage competition.

The products here afforded more cheaply through the various means of a free market, including the products afforded more cheaply by way of the sun, soil richness, or other natural occurrence, are in no way a hindrance to individual wealth.

First, people are inherently endowed with the right to move freely. You own your body, and your actions/movements are your right to do so long as no one else is legitimately transgressed against.

The products/services becoming cheaper are not an ill effect thrust upon society. It is a positive for society or rather, as I care, to the individual. The common misconception is looking at things through a cost to the producer's lens rather than looking at things through a benefit to the consumer's.

Free trade promotes job creation, where it is warranted. Government protectionism promotes moral hazard and waste. They are not wise enough to dictate this or that to an infinitely variable economy. They cause harm (to all, though more importantly to those who wish to conduct their business as they see fit).

A[n actual] market for labor and a repealing of the legal tender laws would do the average worker much good. This is problems compounding problems.

There ya go, preaching liberty and making sense, again.

This is EXACTLY the free market and what any liberty-minded individual should be supporting.

 

[Voluntarist]

xxxxx

 

[nobody's_hero]

Sometimes I think some people here want USA to lose its sovereignty and ignore our borders ... Just to stick it to the man. Even though that is exactly what the man wants you to do.

Thread should have stopped with this comment, +rep

 

[timosman]

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[AuH20]

Yes, crazed socialists. Absolutely American.