Jesus doesn't put food on my table or fix my leaky pipes.

If only god were a politician. We could name him bloomberg or obama.

It's not analogous. Why? Because Obama is evil and the Lord is infinitely good.

You have no claim against the Lord sir. You have sinned against Him. You have rejected Him. You deserve far worse than what you think you have recieved so far.

What is completely missing from your entire understanding is your sin, which is what you are being judged for and what you will be judged for. You have no chance to stand before God in the last day. You are doomed.
 
But the key to understanding why your questioning of your Politician has no grounds. You have no argument against the politicians purpose because it is an eternally good purpose. Even the bad things that the politician decrees are for an ultimately good purpose. They know what is best for us.


I know evil when I see it.



Matthew 7:15
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."


Matthew 7:16
"Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"
 
Yeshua and Buddha taught great things about spirituality just as others have. Yeshua (Jesus) even said that you are His disciple if you love one another.

Here's a good song by the former lead vocalist of Flyleaf, Lacey Sturm

 
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Because the sole point of this thread is to mock Jesus Christ and those who follow Him.

That could very well be, but it could also be considered as simple proof that you are a believer in Christ alive in this sinful world.
On my good days I take it as boring, drama free simple proof.

Just as by one man leaky pipes, cancer, and food by the sweat of our brow entered into the world, one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

Romans 5:12-21 has the real text.

We're alive and enjoying another day of grace in this sinful world, and we know we got a better place to go to.
It's a win/win for simpletons like you and me Eduardo. Take it as simple proof. :)
 
I still want to know what happened to Lazarus and Jairus' daughter. The details should be fascinating. Did one of them become the wondering Jew?
 
I still want to know what happened to Lazarus and Jairus' daughter. The details should be fascinating. Did one of them become the wondering Jew?

Were they 'taken up'? Not sure about this one.
 
I fixed my toilet last night.

Threads like this though make me wonder if the Liberty movement will last. I don't suspect it will.

It will last , because it is of this earth , therefore important to people from many walks of life. What I cannot tell you is how large it will be .It should be larger than it is now. People in general are somewhat lazy when it comes to self learning , also content in ignorance.If it is ever going to change , it will start now , when the youth find the future stolen from them.... myself , I try to lead by example, I cannot expect everyone to be as crazy as I am :)
 
Even the bad things that God decrees are for an ultimately good purpose.

That is your unsupportable and sophistic assumption that you use to weasel out of the contradictory premises that (a) God is good, and (b) God wills evil.
 
You have no claim against the Lord sir. You have sinned against Him. You have rejected Him. You deserve far worse than what you think you have recieved so far.

What is completely missing from your entire understanding is your sin, which is what you are being judged for and what you will be judged for. You have no chance to stand before God in the last day. You are doomed.

There's really no need to project your feeling of self-loathing onto others.
 
I still want to know what happened to Lazarus and Jairus' daughter. The details should be fascinating. Did one of them become the wondering Jew?

If you approach it as a historian, then we just don't know.

If you approach it from the perspective of someone who thinks that the Church is in a special position as mediator of divine revelation, such that traditions that first appear in the historical record centuries after the fact are to be trusted, then I'm sure you'll find interesting speculations about Lazarus and Jairus's daughter reported as fact somewhere.

Personally, I prefer the former approach.
 
That is your unsupportable and sophistic assumption that you use to weasel out of the contradictory premises that (a) God is good, and (b) God wills evil.

No, that is my biblically supported premise that completely solves the "problem of evil" that some have proposed.

God has an eternally good purpose for the evil that He has decreed. It's biblical and logical. Problem solved. You have no logical argument against Christianity.
 
There's really no need to project your feeling of self-loathing onto others.

It's not self-loathing. It is the conviction of the Holy Spirit that makes a person hate their sin. Every Christian has this. That you don't have this conviction may lead you to think you are not burdened, but in the grand scheme of your life, it means that you are a slave to sin and soon to be judged for that sin eternally.
 
No, that is my biblically supported premise that completely solves the "problem of evil" that some have proposed.

God has an eternally good purpose for the evil that He has decreed. It's biblical and logical. Problem solved. You have no logical argument against Christianity.

It is not logical if one doesn't accept your assumption of the theological validity of the Bible and your interpretation of Scripture.

For one who touts logic so much, you are guilty of illogical thinking yourself when you refuse to accept the logical impossibility of a deity that is good and at the same time wills evil.
 
For one who touts logic so much, you are guilty of illogical thinking yourself when you refuse to accept the logical impossibility of a deity that is good and at the same time wills evil.

Its not a logical impossibility. I just showed you that.

God is all good.
God is all powerful.
Evil exist.
God has a good reason that evil exists.

You have no logical argument against Christianity.
 
Exhibit A: Sola Fide.

Exhibit B: Eduardo!

The prosecution rests

2 extremes..
And yet Ron Paul and most of this forum are folks of faith.

There have been a lot of people throughout history that have used religion for political purpose.
Twisting and manipulating for their own purposes.

I don't blame God for that. I blame the deceiver,, who has been very active since the beginning of this world.

You have the wrong target.
 
well consider- before there was a state, there was not yet a unifying narrative to which rulers might appeal to engender obedience. Now there is such a narrative; it isn't that men abuse the narrative, it is that the narrative was created exactly as a tool of manipulation of universal insecurities
 
For example- Gunny Freedom is the worst possible spokesperson for christianity, because he makes sense, and argues without getting insanely hostile, never touches any bullshit about condemning sinners or assumes some kind of unapproachable pedestal, and is generally open, tolerant, understanding, and universal in his moral and logical appeals.

EXACTLY BECAUSE GOOD MEN USE THAT LANGUAGE THOUGH, the bottom-feeding, shit-eating, emotionally-crippled identify with that idea, are energized by it, and find justification in it. If such men came out and said, "When someone says Jesus to you, what they mean is- my fantasy of power over death or fear," then all of these confused bottom creatures would stop having faith.

Instead though, he legitimizes it (I believe in error and not out of manipulation) and gives it weight. Now, when some pale, decaying weakling with a hateful heart and angry wads of spit around his lips (basically how I picture Sola-Fide) desires to move people and control their psychological reflexes and thought-architecture, he can readily observe how Gunny has prepped the crowd for him, and mined all of these words and images with requisite emotional intensity. To be invoked and directed by the shit-eating manipulation preacher, toward warfare, toward oppression, toward profit- toward whatever end the preacher desires. The congregation is a passive, liquid, formless thing.
 
well consider- before there was a state, there was not yet a unifying narrative to which rulers might appeal to engender obedience. Now there is such a narrative; it isn't that men abuse the narrative, it is that the narrative was created exactly as a tool of manipulation of universal insecurities

What narrative are you talking about?
 
well consider- before there was a state, there was not yet a unifying narrative to which rulers might appeal to engender obedience. Now there is such a narrative; it isn't that men abuse the narrative, it is that the narrative was created exactly as a tool of manipulation of universal insecurities


Then you don't understand the history of government. With the early pagan governments, the state was god. Pharoah and Caesar were gods on earth and salvation was in the state. With the Greeks, you had absolute democratic slavery. The polis was the source of life and there was no life outside the polis.

Biblical Christianity changed all of this by proposing that salvation was outside of the state--salvation was outside of anything in this world. It erased the entrenched religious statism of paganism. The pagan view of the state was recently revived with the rise of the atheist regimes of the 20th century.
 
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