Jesus doesn't put food on my table or fix my leaky pipes.

[amy31416]

It's like a cosmic game show. He creates flawed, sinful flesh and then judges you for being flawed and sinful. As long as he's entertained, I suppose.

The Bible, especially the Old Testament, is probably the worst reference book for anything of a spiritual or metaphysical nature.

 

[matt0611]

One would think that, as the son of God, he knew all about microorganisms. But he didn't even tell us about it.

lol yeah I mean why didn't Jesus sit everyone down and teach science classes and talk of microorganisms and name all the chemical elements and other fun facts?

that's obviously why the son was sent, to teach science, yeah!

I don't know what the OP is talking about, Jesus shows up on my doorstep all the time and fixes the plumbing in my house, he's obviously doing it wrong.

 

[bwlibertyman]

I don't understand why people get so angry. Why can't we just love on each other? If you disagree about things that's fine. You don't have to be mean about it. I don't get it. People can coexist and disagree about things. I believe there's a God and he loves us all and wants to have a relationship with us. If you don't agree with that I can't really force you. I just don't get it. Being mean isn't really desirable is it? I don't know.

 

[fr33]

I don't understand why people get so angry. Why can't we just love on each other? If you disagree about things that's fine. You don't have to be mean about it. I don't get it. People can coexist and disagree about things. I believe there's a God and he loves us all and wants to have a relationship with us. If you don't agree with that I can't really force you. I just don't get it. Being mean isn't really desirable is it? I don't know.

For some reason when an atheist states their opinion Christians say they are being mean or persecuting Christians.

 

[Acala]

Jesus never promised to fix your plumbing. What he did promise was much more important but rarely understood - he promised to deliver you from suffering through complete surrender.

My sister's husband of 25 years died suddenly two weeks ago. They were a very close, loving couple. I spent a couple days with her two days after the death. Guess what? She is fine. I mean TOTALLY fine. She is not suffering at all. We laughed and talked for two days straight. The reason she is totally fine is that she had previously learned how to surrender to the will of God when she had breast cancer. She doesn't pray for God to change things or fix things or blame God when things turn out badly. She acts to make her world better but she surrenders to what happens. And in that true, deep surrender she finds total peace.

Within the Christian tradition, buried underneath the bullshit, politics, and dogma is a true mystical path to happiness beyond conditions and an imperturbable peace. Few find it. But it IS there.

 

[fr33]

The thing is when Jesus was on earth he allegedly did perform some of the things mentioned in the OP along with other miracles. For some reason it was important then that he do those things. Maybe people alive back then needed to see such tricks performed in order to believe his shtick but then why don't people require these miracles happen today in order to have faith?

I would like some answers to my Lazarus questions...

Did Lazarus die for a second time or did he live forever? Why would Jesus want to spare a man from eternal bliss in the first place?

 

[erowe1]

The thing is when Jesus was on earth he allegedly did perform some of the things mentioned in the OP along with other miracles. For some reason it was important then that he do those things. Maybe people alive back then needed to see such tricks performed in order to believe his shtick but then why don't people require these miracles happen today in order to have faith?

I would like some answers to my Lazarus questions...

Have you read the Gospels themselves to see how those healings fit into the story?

 

[oyarde]

Hell , I can fix my own plumbing. I am grateful for that.

 

[donnay]

Jesus never promised to fix your plumbing. What he did promise was much more important but rarely understood - he promised to deliver you from suffering through complete surrender.

My sister's husband of 25 years died suddenly two weeks ago. They were a very close, loving couple. I spent a couple days with her two days after the death. Guess what? She is fine. I mean TOTALLY fine. She is not suffering at all. We laughed and talked for two days straight. The reason she is totally fine is that she had previously learned how to surrender to the will of God when she had breast cancer. She doesn't pray for God to change things or fix things or blame God when things turn out badly. She acts to make her world better but she surrenders to what happens. And in that true, deep surrender she finds total peace.

Within the Christian tradition, buried underneath the bullshit, politics, and dogma is a true mystical path to happiness beyond conditions and an imperturbable peace. Few find it. But it IS there.

Well said. +rep I am sorry for your loss.

 

[shane77m]

Hell , I can fix my own plumbing. I am grateful for that.

I fixed my toilet last night.

Threads like this though make me wonder if the Liberty movement will last. I don't suspect it will.

 

[donnay]

I fixed my toilet last night.

Threads like this though make me wonder if the Liberty movement will last. I don't suspect it will.

Knowledge is power.


2 Corinthians 3:17
"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."

 

[fr33]

Have you read the Gospels themselves to see how those healings fit into the story?

Yeah I've read it them multiple times. The problem with the gospels is they focus on nuanced "big-picture" reasons rather than any of the details involved. Had the people living during those times written these books, Lazarus would have taken up far more of the text than the tiny mention he gets. He would have been interviewed extensively about what death was like and the date he died for a 2nd time would have been recorded... or if he never died again, he'd be famous today.

 

[Sola_Fide]

It doesn't matter how much I pray my problems don't get solved. Oh yes but it is God's will to have these problems remember Job or Abraham? Maybe I should sacrifice my child. Get real. You work. You provide or you elect to get on a govt entitlement program where your rent is paid & you get heat, food, cell phone & ??? Is that God? What about the child that dies at 3 years of age from cancer? Gods Will?

Everything is God's will and everything happens to glorify Him.

You act as though you are neutral (or good) and you deserve to have your problems fixed. Look at how completely man-centered that is! Look at how that completely ignores your sin! You don't derserve to have anything. What you deserve is nothing but eternal judgement for your sins. You are dead in sins and trespasses and you have no claim against the holy God of this universe. You have sinned and made Him your enemy!

Everything glorifies Him. Your just judgement for your sins glorifies Him.

 

[erowe1]

Yeah I've read it them multiple times. The problem with the gospels is they focus on nuanced "big-picture" reasons rather than any of the details involved. Had the people living during those times written these books, Lazarus would have taken up far more of the text than the tiny mention he gets. He would have been interviewed extensively about what death was like and the date he died for a 2nd time would have been recorded... or if he never died again, he'd be famous today.

But they were written by people living in those times.

If you read the Bible for the purpose of finding things not to like, then you'll find them. But that's not a good way to read any book. If you start out giving it the benefit of the doubt, assuming it was meant to make sense and convey a message that somebody somewhere thought was good, then I don't think you'll come away from it with such a caricature. And you'll enjoy the read more too.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

I think that we do read it that way: assuming it was meant to make sense and convey a message that somebody somewhere thought was good but we add comma- 2000 years ago in an ethnic ghetto on the fringes of roman influence

 

[Sonny Tufts]

Everything glorifies Him. Your just judgement for your sins glorifies Him.

How in the world do you worship a deity that needs things like the Holocaust and children dying of cancer in order to be glorified?

Incidentally, the notion that a 3-year old child has sinned is sick.

 

[erowe1]

I think that we do read it that way: assuming it was meant to make sense and convey a message that somebody somewhere thought was good but we add comma- 2000 years ago in an ethnic ghetto on the fringes of roman influence

Do you? Because if you did, you wouldn't condemn it for failing to meet standards that would not fit that context, such as we see happening in the post to which I was responding in your quote of me.

 

[erowe1]

How in the world do you worship a deity that needs things like the Holocaust and children dying of cancer in order to be glorified?

The real world is a world that includes the Holocaust and Cancer. So a faulty view of God would be one that excludes the possibility of those things, not one that includes them.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

The real world is a world that includes the Holocaust and Cancer. So a faulty view of God would be one that excludes the possibility of those things, not one that includes them.

No, a faulty view of God would be one that asserts that these horrible things were willed by and glorify Him.

 

[erowe1]

No, a faulty view of God would be one that asserts that these horrible things were willed by and glorify Him.

How could that be? Do you deny the existence of those things? Do you think that the universe is doomed to evils that are beyond God's control?

We don't have to understand how something evil fits into his plan. And I don't think we should try. But we can still take consolation in knowing that there must be a way that they can, and that the reason for that can be beyond our comprehension.