Jesse Ventura says Ron Paul has Officially dropped out of the race....

[DAFTEK]

But he said he knows allot about Ron Paul! Come on that was low, i like his stance but this was just a low blow

 

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

Ventura is just confused. I can't blame him, unless you hang out on internet sites like RP Forums, it's very easy to think Ron Paul has dropped out. I lay blame squarely on the heads of the national campaign. That horribly managed Youtube video and publicity statements by campaign figures who said themselves that Ron Paul was dropping out back in early March hurt us a lot. I personally have set four people straight who thought Ron Paul was out of the race since that convoluted message from the campaign last month, which the MSM jumped on and distorted.

 

[Misesian]

What many on here are doing are playing a rather pathetic game of semantics at this point. So, Ron never verbally said that "he dropped out". He did say, however, that "victory isn't possible in the conventional sense" and is not actively seeking the nomination at all, at this point. In the end, nothing Jesse said is incorrect at this point. I don't know why it is so hard to accept the truth, anymore. Then, I see comments like Jesse can "get Fucked" ... "Jesse can blow me", etc. The posters of today come across like a bunch of adolescents. For all intents and purposes, John McCain will be the Republican nominee. Like it or not. The time has come to accept it, and then decide what is going to be done in the General Election about it. Whether it be voting Constitution/Libertarian Party, not voting at all, writing in Ron's name, or any other option. The time has long past in accepting that Ron isn't getting the GOP nomination.

I agree. Though maybe it's not that they come across as adolescants but maybe they are adolescents hence the speech patterns used. This is why some forums have moderators. I just hope that this type of speech is used only in these forums since this is the type of stuff that turned off a ton of Republicans to Ron Paul. The only problem I have with Jesse is the same problem I have with Bob Barr. I don't see them going after the Federal Reserve and our fractional reserve fiat based banking system! Though I did hear Ventura mention the devaluing of our dollar after "Nixon pulled us off the Gold Standard" (I use quotes since Bretton Woods was a piss poor version of a gold standard) so he must have some knowledge on this issue. This is the issue that's going to kill us, not wars, but monetary policy.

 

[TruthAtLast]

Ventura is just confused. I can't blame him, unless you hang out on internet sites like RP Forums, it's very easy to think Ron Paul has dropped out. I lay blame squarely on the heads of the national campaign. That horribly managed Youtube video and publicity statements by campaign figures who said themselves that Ron Paul was dropping out back in early March hurt us a lot. I personally have set four people straight who thought Ron Paul was out of the race since that convoluted message from the campaign last month, which the MSM jumped on and distorted.

i agree to some extent. Even if Ron Paul really did believe that he couldn't win "in the conventional sense" why would you tell supporters that? It would have been better if he said nothing. It did really hurt us.

But it is all a learning experience. My biggest disappointment would be if we didn't continue the Movement after the election is over and if we didn't learn from our mistakes and prepare correctly for the next election to give us a legit shot at winning.

 

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

I agree. Though maybe it's not that they come across as adolescants but maybe they are adolescents hence the speech patterns used. This is why some forums have moderators. I just hope that this type of speech is used only in these forums since this is the type of stuff that turned off a ton of Republicans to Ron Paul. The only problem I have with Jesse is the same problem I have with Bob Barr. I don't see them going after the Federal Reserve and our fractional reserve fiat based banking system! Though I did hear Ventura mention the devaluing of our dollar after "Nixon pulled us off the Gold Standard" (I use quotes since Bretton Woods was a piss poor version of a gold standard) so he must have some knowledge on this issue. This is the issue that's going to kill us, not wars, but monetary policy.

It's also worth noting Ventura hammers on the $9 trillion of debt at every chance he gets. From most indications, he has a fairly solid understanding of what's wrong with our economy and the government interference in it. I must add Ventura is the second most repetitive politician I've heard lately, after Ron Paul. And believe me, that's a very good thing.

Both Ron Paul and Ventura are rightly voicing the problems of America and proposed solutions over and over and over again. Only through such redundancy can an audience accustomed to sound bites and dumbed down discussions of the "issues" even begin to comprehend what's going on.

 

[PlzPeopleWakeUp]

nt

 

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

Well... considering the electoral college was designed in an era where cross-continent communication would take a month.... It did serve the country well so that the country did not become fractured. That was it's intent.

In the present, if you ask 100 people what the electoral college is, I would bet that 95 or more of them wouldn't have a clue what it is. Nor would they even realize that thier "popular" vote for president means virtually nothing.

Now, the electoral college is simply used by the establishment as a last resort to make the election outcome how they want. 2004 ring a bell? The people did not vote in Bush, the electoral college did. Bush lost the "popular" vote.

I agree with Jessie, it needs to be eliminated. We are in an era of information and communication on a global scale. In a perfect world, I would think that the media would inform the citizens, as to where they can make informed decisions, and the popular vote would be the only vote. But yes, I will preemptively agree that the thought of all them sheep voting is scary. But, I have never bought into the analogy of democracy where the two wolves and one sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Nice analogy, but it is not pertinent unless evil out numbers good. I tend to apply the theory of relativity to this...

I think you mean 2000. 2004 was interesting, however, since if Kerry had won Ohio by a razor thin margin, he would've become President solely through the Electoral College. I agree somewhat with Ventura: the Electoral College needs to be either reformed or abolished by Constitutional amendment. If it were made proportional, or at least if powers were given to Electoral College voters to vote their heart's conscience, it might still have some usefulness.

As it stands, the party system has destroyed the original intent of the EC (aside from making Presidential selection by long distances possible). Moreover, some states will penalize Electoral College voters with PRISON TIME if they cast their ballot for anyone other than whom they are pledged to. This "binding" of EC voters by the political parties and the state governments is not consistent with the original purpose of the Founders: to provide a check on mob rule, by providing one more opportunity for intelligent voters to select a better President than the masses might.

No one can deny the present Electoral College is suffering a lot of defects. It may not yet be prudent to toss the baby out with the bath water, but we need to at least reign it in so that it isn't subverted by the current system of political parties.

 

[TruePatriot44]

Ron Paul has basically dropped out. He just dances around not saying it.

 

[ClayTrainor]

Ron Paul has basically dropped out. He just dances around not saying it.

except kind of said it 1 time, but not really

 

[slamhead]

Can we please stop talking about Jessie Ventura on this board. Jessie has to realize the revolution already started without him and it is not his revolution. Obviously he has not given much thought on how the revolution will transpire.

 

[ClayTrainor]

Can we please stop talking about Jessie Ventura on this board. Jessie has to realize the revolution already started without him and it is not his revolution. Obviously he has not given much thought on how the revolution will transpire.

Actually in the video in the OP, Jesse also mentions that Ron Paul want's the revolution to "continue"

that means, he admits that ron paul has sparked a revolution that he would like to continue... hence "Dont start the revolution without me" he knows we're getting ready to start and wants to be involved.