Jesse Ventura has an entire chapter on RON PAUL in his new book

[John F Kennedy III]

Love Jesse....Piers is clueless.

I've seen it said many times on RPF that the media/politicians are clueless. They aren't clueless. They know EXACTLY what they're doing.

 

[QuickZ06]

And the "corporations aren't people" argument revolts me. Corporations are indeed groups of people, and all 9 justices agreed that groups of people have free speech rights. It was the liberals that voted to quash their rights. The people crying that corporations aren't people are members of the ignorant sheeple.

People are individuals. Not groups. Rights remain with the individual.

 

[Carlybee]

People are individuals. Not groups. Rights remain with the individual.

Yep and groups are collectives = collectivism

 

[Carlybee]

I've seen it said many times on RPF that the media/politicians are clueless. They aren't clueless. They know EXACTLY what they're doing.

They know what they are told to do. In the grand scheme they are clueless.

 

[eleganz]

I'm sorry but corporations are NOT people. That is why we are all given corporate fictions to operate in commerce and contract with, guess what? CORPORATIONS.

 

[NoOneButPaul]

They know what they are told to do. In the grand scheme they are clueless.

As someone who works in media I can say this is much closer to the truth... what they are told to do is almost ALWAYS what the advertisers want though. Not higher ups...

I'm a producer, I have to deal with talent all the time and most of them are just lazy and want to go home. It's not any kind of conspiracy they just suck at their jobs...

 

[Ivash]

Fascism is not when the government is controlled by corporations. Do people really believe that historical nonsense? Corporations supported fascism as it was the enemy of communism, but when fascist governments took power it was the governments that told the businesses what to do, not the other way around- even five seconds in a high school historical text book should have informed him of that.

If anything fascism is much closer to socialism than an corporate oligarchy, since in fascism corporations are forced to serve the 'greater good' defined by the government.

 

[Athena]

Fascism is not when the government is controlled by corporations. Do people really believe that historical nonsense? Corporations supported fascism as it was the enemy of communism, but when fascist governments took power it was the governments that told the businesses what to do, not the other way around- even five seconds in a high school historical text book should have informed him of that.

If anything fascism is much closer to socialism than an corporate oligarchy, since in fascism corporations are forced to serve the 'greater good' defined by the government.

I defer to Orwell:

http://orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc

Thirdly, even the people who recklessly fling the word ‘Fascist’ in every direction attach at any rate an emotional significance to it. By ‘Fascism’ they mean, roughly speaking, something cruel, unscrupulous, arrogant, obscurantist, anti-liberal and anti-working-class. Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.

 

[Ivash]

I defer to Orwell:

http://orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc

Haha, Orwell was right on that. If someone insults another person or policy by calling it 'Fascist' I simply ignore whatever they have to say on the topic (ditto for 'Repugs, Democraps, etc).

 

[randpaul2016]

No mention of RP in this one, just an FYI.

now hes all about gary johnson (hint-book title)

 

[kuckfeynes]

"Corporations are not people" is kind of semantically vague with the plural/plural.
Perhaps we should start saying "A corporation is not a person" or "A group of people is not a person."

 

[affa]

The people crying that corporations aren't people are members of the ignorant sheeple.

So because I disagree with you and think the concept that 'corporations are people' is downright absurd i'm 'an ignorant sheeple'?

Obviously, corporations employ people, and are directed by people. Doesn't make them 'people'.

 

[row333au]

the US government makes trillions out of tax payers.... it all goes to crony corporation not to tax payers that made the money

 

[row333au]

this documentary is the most comprehensive insight of the legalities of what a corporation is

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

Yeah, because we definitely the government to build need high speed trains, like Jesse Ventura did, to help the poor people.

And the "corporations aren't people" argument revolts me. Corporations are indeed groups of people, and all 9 justices agreed that groups of people have free speech rights. It was the liberals that voted to quash their rights. The people crying that corporations aren't people are members of the ignorant sheeple.

And Stephanie Miller is, and always has been, a lying PPOS. (That first P is for progressive.)

I can't believe that a RP supporter typed those words since RP himself has stated many times that corporations aren't people.

 

[specsaregood]

I can't believe that a RP supporter typed those words since RP himself has stated many times that corporations aren't people.

Please, he agrees with the root of Romney's statement on that. The individuals in the corporation have rights, and they are free to use their rights voluntarily as a group.

Interviewer: Real quick question for you… What did you make of Mitt Romney’s statement that corporations are people yesterday?

Ron Paul: Well obviously, they are not. People are individuals, they’re not groups and they’re not companies. Individuals have rights, they’re not collective. You can’t duck that. So individuals should be responsible for corporations, and they shouldn’t be a new creature so-to-speak. Rights and obligations should be always back to the individual.

 

[KingNothing]

I can't believe that a RP supporter typed those words since RP himself has stated many times that corporations aren't people.

It's not as simple as that, though. Clearly they aren't people, but just as clearly, they have to be given some designation that makes laws applicable to them. And just as clearly, they have to be given rights to protect them from the government and the masses.


At their core, they're just a collection of people and capital. A corporation might not be a person, but it's obviously not just a desk, or a box, or some other lifeless object. Beyond that, it's just a matter of word choice.

 

[KingNothing]

Please, he agrees with the root of Romney's statement on that. The individuals in the corporation have rights, and they are free to use their rights voluntarily as a group.

Interviewer: Real quick question for you… What did you make of Mitt Romney’s statement that corporations are people yesterday?

Ron Paul: Well obviously, they are not. People are individuals, they’re not groups and they’re not companies. Individuals have rights, they’re not collective. You can’t duck that. So individuals should be responsible for corporations, and they shouldn’t be a new creature so-to-speak. Rights and obligations should be always back to the individual.

Exactly.

This, however, is an issue that is easily demagogued. Paul does a wonderful job of playing to populist sentiment, while maintaining core Libertarian/An-Cap principles. The nuance is probably not apparent to those who run around citing passages from documentaries that decry the evil of The Corporation, as if you can't seperate the actions of a corporation from the actions of the people who comprise it.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

Please, he agrees with the root of Romney's statement on that. The individuals in the corporation have rights, and they are free to use their rights voluntarily as a group.

Interviewer: Real quick question for you… What did you make of Mitt Romney’s statement that corporations are people yesterday?

Ron Paul: Well obviously, they are not. People are individuals, they’re not groups and they’re not companies. Individuals have rights, they’re not collective. You can’t duck that. So individuals should be responsible for corporations, and they shouldn’t be a new creature so-to-speak. Rights and obligations should be always back to the individual.

Romney's statement?

"Corporations are people my friend!"

Sounds nothing like Ron's

 

[specsaregood]

Romney's statement?
"Corporations are people my friend!"
Sounds nothing like Ron's

I shall kindly refer to the post just above yours as it preemptively responded to your post better than I ever could.