Jesse Ventura endorsed Harris/Walz

[LibertyEagle]

It's designed that way.

You don't need my permission. Do what you want. They thank you for your consent.

I am consenting to not help elect two Communists as President and Vice President.

They thank you for helping them. You think sitting on the sidelines is not giving your consent, when in reality, lack of action, is giving consent too.

And yes, Presidential races are very controlled. The game is that TPTB choose the candidates and when we pick, regardless of who we choose, it is one of their guys. (For more read Tragedy and Hope). As I have stated before, when Trump first ran, I knew he could be just that, but there also was a chance that his name recognition enabled him to get past the setup. However, for some time, at least to me, i think it is clear he isn’t one of them. He has a lot of flaws, for sure, but i do not think he is sold out.

 

[PAF]

I am consenting to not help elect two Communists as President and Vice President.

They thank you for helping them. You think sitting on the sidelines is not giving your consent, when in reality, lack of action, is giving consent too.

And yes, Presidential races are very controlled. The game is that TPTB choose the candidates and when we pick, regardless of who we choose, it is one of their guys. (For more read Tragedy and Hope). As I have stated before, when Trump first ran, I knew he could be just that, but there also was a chance that his name recognition enabled him to get past the setup. However, for some time, at least to me, i think it is clear he isn’t one of them. He has a lot of flaws, for sure, but i do not think he is sold out.

I have $100 of gold in one bag and $100 of silver in another bag. One criminal wants my gold, the other criminal wants my silver. They both tell me that if I choose who to give it up to I will be protected from the other. If I don't vote for either one, which one am I giving consent to?


See here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?567636-Voting-Is-An-Act-of-Violence

 

[LibertyEagle]

I have $100 of gold in one bag and $100 of silver in another bag. One criminal wants my gold, the other criminal wants my silver. They both tell me that if I choose who to give it up to I will be protected from the other. If I don't vote for either one, which one am I giving consent to?

Whoever wins, while you are sitting on the sidelines.

 

[TheCount]

Whoever wins, while you are sitting on the sidelines.

This is what tribalism does to people.

Do you realize that there's no difference aside from the hollow emotion of "winning" if you bet correctly and your "team" wins?

 

[LibertyEagle]

This is what tribalism does to people.

Do you realize that there's no difference aside from the hollow emotion of "winning" if you bet correctly and your "team" wins?

That would be true if all of the marbles in the hat were put there by the globalists, as is usually the case.

I have told you that I do not think Trump was one of them. I could be wrong, of course. But, with time, I have gotten even more solidified in the belief that he isn’t one of them.

The only “team” I could possibly be a part of is if one exists that doesn’t want their country to become communist and dissolved, and is ushered into world government. I thought that was here, on this forum, but maybe not.

It used to be called being an American. Ron Paul used to talk about the remnant.

 

[TheCount]

I have told you that I do not think Trump was one of them. I could be wrong, of course. But, with time, I have gotten even more solidified in the belief that he isn’t one of them.

This is what tribalism does to people.

Them? What does it matter if a person is "them" or not if they do all of the same things as "them?"

What is the difference to you whether the criminal robbing you is wearing the shirt of the red team or the blue team?

The only “team” I could possibly be a part of is if one exists that doesn’t want their country to become communist and dissolved, and is ushered into world government. I thought that was here, on this forum, but maybe not.

How well does Trump advancing and signing a new, updated, stronger NAFTA fit into being on your "team?"

It used to be called being an American.

Spare me.

 

[acptulsa]

Although they are being rude as hell...

Republicans don't enjoy talking to libertarians, but there's nobody else on earth who stands a snowball's chance in hell of getting through their defenses and being heard.

Give yourself some credit. I give only as good as I get.

 

[Anti Globalist]

I never imagined that Venture would go full blown woke. Wonder if he got paid off to spew this garbage.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I think the issue is that he claimed to have been in combat. That appears to not be the truth. Just listened to an interview with Tulsi and that is what she was saying.

Personally, I think all of those “wars” were stupid, but he used him being in combat to substantiate his wanting to grab guns.

He also lied about his rank, to the point of having the wrong insignia on his Congressional challenge coins.
And he told the other men and his commanding officer he wouldn't retire and then went behind their backs to retire.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You're talking about this?

https://www.al.com/birmingham-news-stories/2013/09/kennedy_federalized_national_g.html

Kennedy federalized National Guard to integrate Alabama public schools (Sept. 10, 1963)​

I love @PAF but his argument in this thread about Trump using the National Guard in Washington DC has me all kind of confused. He's right about the Dick Act. (I'll be honest I had never looked that up) which allows the National Guard to be deployed outside the U.S. (See: https://history.army.mil/documents/1901/root-ng.htm). Then he quoted an NBC article about the National Guard being deployed inside the U.S. which has nothing to do with the Dick Act from what I can tell. But I don't see anywhere that PAF called the George Floyd protests "nonviolent" despite @Swordsmyth's protestations to the contrary. (I guess he's talking about PAF highlighting NBC saying that some nonviolent protestors were injured? If so, then SS is wrong to object because some of the George Floyd protestors clearly WERE non violent and some WERE NOT. Some of the January 6th protestors WERE non violent and some WERE NOT! It's sad that people pretend that there side was 100% peaceful and the other side was 100% violent).

Anyhow, Washington D.C. isn't a state and isn't part of a state so it has no governor who can call out the National Guard to deal with civil unrest. And while the not so peaceful protests were no more a "foreign attack on the nation's capital" than was January 6th, it still was an obvious case of civil unrest that frankly the mayor of DC failed to handle. Yep it would be best if the local police kept the peace and that's true in all situations. But the authority to call up the D.C. National Guard rests with the president. https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/#:~:text=This authority to activate the,reports only to the President.

PAF approvingly quoted NBC and two Demoncommies condemning Trump's use of the NG against the violent and destructive rioters that the Ds were refusing to deal with and even encouraging.
In order to condemn Trump they made the claim that ALL of the protestors were peaceful protestors.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Although they are being rude as hell, the point is that it is dangerous to any kind of liberty to use federal troops against American citizens. Posse Comitatus may not seem like a big deal now, but it surely used to be. I understand they have changed some laws, but that doesn’t mean they are good changes.

Believe me, I understand. I remember what was going on during the “summer of love”; the burning, the looting, the murders. It should have been the Governors handling it and if necessary, reaching out for help. That didn’t happen. I do not think the federal government should rebuild for them. Because the citizenry in those states need to feel the consequences of the POS they elected for Governor.

This crap has been going on for a long time. JFK sent the actual military to Alabama. And I believe they were used again with Katrina and actually confiscated guns from law-abiding citizens in their own homes. And every time we ok it, it emboldens them to do it again. As bad as they may be, we want our police to be local. We never want our military to be used against American citizens.

Violent communist insurrection being ignored and even supported by the local D administrations changes the equation.

 

[Swordsmyth]

True. But D.C. has no governor so the president stands in for the governor for deploying the National Guard to D.C. But here's the scary part. Trump is trying to take credit for deploying the National Guard to Minneapolis, when he actual did not have the right to do that and apparently did not do that.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/28/politics/fact-check-minnesota-trump-speech-national-guard/index.html

He did have the right to, see my post about the Insurrection Act.
And if he didn't actually have to do it himself it was because he threatened to and made the Governor finally do it. (after which the Governor's family gave support to the rioters by telling them the NG's plans)

 

[Swordsmyth]

No, the principle we were talking about is no centralized federal policing or U.S. troops used against U.S. citizens.

That principle you espoused sounds real good. Too bad not everyone can look at someone's hair color and count their piercings, and instantly determine whether or not they're guilty of something quite the way you can.

Violent communist insurrection ignored and encouraged by the Ds changes the equation.
And I count the number of murders and burning buildings and gauge the reaction of the local government to make the judgement.

You guys are just supporting communist revolution and cloaking it with false liberty principles.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Republicans don't enjoy talking to libertarians,

That is an interesting perspective you have there, since the Libertarian Party was created by disgruntled Republican Conservatives.

Question: Aren’t you a current or former Democrat?

but there's nobody else on earth who stands a snowball's chance in hell of getting through their defenses and being heard.

Here’s the thing, if you repeatedly insult and demean someone, they aren’t ever going to hear what you have to say.

Give yourself some credit. I give only as good as I get.

If you could allow people to support who they want, even if it is a different person than you want, it would make things around here a lot nicer.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Violent communist insurrection being ignored and even supported by the local D administrations changes the equation.

I think encouraging the governor to do it, was a much better option.

It’s always important to remember that even if you would agree with an action if it was used against people we hate, would we feel the same if a different President used that same action against us for advocating for say, the Constitution? Isn’t that the reason we want a tightly-restrained constitutional government?

 

[Swordsmyth]

I think encouraging the governor to do it, was a much better option.

It’s always important to remember that even if you would agree with an action if it was used against people we hate, would we feel the same if a different President used that same action against us for advocating for say, the Constitution? Isn’t that the reason we want a tightly-restrained constitutional government?

1 Leftists or any other kind of tyrants create precedent, they do not follow it
refusing to do the right thing because the left might abuse it is a losing strategy that has allowed them to pitch a no hitter to conservatives and libertarians for generations

2 If Liberty oriented people ever riot and burn down cities they will either deserve to be crushed or they will be starting a civil war and the left will use the military against them and they should just expect that
See above about the left using the military against us if we don't riot and burn down cities

I do agree that bullying the governor into doing it was a better option, and obviously Trump did too, but he wouldn't have been able to do so without the Insurrection Act and he might have had to invoke it and do it himself if the governor held firm on letting the riots happen.
And he was absolutely right to send in the federal LE that he did in various places.

 

[jmdrake]

Whoever wins, while you are sitting on the sidelines.

Nonsese. I live in Alabama. If Trump loses freaking Alabama then God wants him to lose.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Nonsese. I live in Alabama. If Trump loses freaking Alabama then God wants him to lose.

Does that mean you are not voting either?

 

[jmdrake]

Does that mean you are not voting either?

I haven't voted for either major party candidate since 2008. I've either voted 3rd party or written in Ron Paul. This point I'm probably not voting.

 

[acptulsa]

Violent communist insurrection being ignored and even supported by the local D administrations changes the equation.

Only if you're stupid enough to live in Oregon. Each state and city has the right to make a broke, burning hellhole of itself. Why should my taxes be used to try to slap some sense into them? Simply because they offend your sensibilities?

No, principles don't bend with the wind. Thinking like that is just exactly what is flushing this nation down the Toilet of Empires.

You guys are just supporting communist revolution and cloaking it with false liberty principles.

That was no communist revolution. Revolutions happen on a national stage and scale. That was just a silly show designed to get you and people like you to tie your own panties in a knot.