Jesse Ventura endorsed Harris/Walz

[acptulsa]

That is an interesting perspective you have there, since the Libertarian Party was created by disgruntled Republican Conservatives.

What's so interesting about it? Do club members like talking to disgruntled people who quit that same club? Do semi-competent managers like talking to disgruntled ex-employees? Do tinpot dictators like their refugees talking to anybody at all, much less them?

Question: Aren’t you a current or former Democrat?

Hell no. Why do you make an ass out of both u and me by assuming that? Why do you partisans assume no one can escape the Uniparty? The first time I voted for Ron Paul for president was the second time I voted. The first time I voted for Beach Boy Bergland. The first time I registered as anything but an Independent was 2008, in time to vote for Ron Paul for the second time in our closed primary. Not that you aren't being nosy, but I'm in no way ashamed of having gotten over being fooled by the Uniparty before I turned 20.

Why did I have to be one or the other once upon a time? Certain people are just desperate to stuff everyone into one of their Jell-O molds, and you and Swordsmyth are two of them. Is making people fit your preset patterns so you can understand them really easier than listening with an open mind and allowing people to be unique? Or are y'all just so desperate to recruit people for your lame ass team that keeps moving the ball the wrong damned way, that the unconventional way certain people think is nothing but a nuisance that could only ever piss you off?

Here’s the thing, if you repeatedly insult and demean someone, they aren’t ever going to hear what you have to say.

Must be true, because you've never heard me the multiple times I've said the exact same thing to you. Keep throwing those stones out of your glass house.

If you could allow people to support who they want, even if it is a different person than you want, it would make things around here a lot nicer.

Go reread your posts. You are nearly as bad as your buddy there about hounding people who aren't helping you grab onto that lesser weevil so you can keep kicking that can right down to the brick wall across the finalé of this country's dead end alley. I don't know if you've noticed, but there are other Trump voters here besides you two who don't get treated this way. That's because they allow people to support who they want, and get treated the same way in return. You know, the Golden Rule, which Ron Paul once got booed in a Republican debate for mentioning.

A good number of you partisans have an attitude of, you don't get to be insistent because you're just throwing your vote away, but I get to be insistent as hell because voting for a weevil and kicking the can down the road is possible. Just another double standard, and if I'm more irritating than you, it's only because your crap is easier to refute than mine.

Case in point:

If I don't vote for either one, which one am I giving consent to?

Whoever wins, while you are sitting on the sidelines.

PAF is very actively trying to open people's minds to ways to make government more responsive to We, the People. He's very active teaching people to, and how to, be their own lobbyists--people who might not have known their Rep's name before. I'm betting fatly that you spend more time on your ass than he does. You flatly refuse to acknowledge that, but instead accuse him of sitting on the sidelines because every other year you pop up in your local elementary school and put the shafts in a dozen arrows with a black marker. That, dear heart, is insulting. In. Sult. Ing.

Oh, you say, that's not an insult, it's just a cliche, a platitude. You'll ask me, haven't you heard of the old throwing your vote away cliché, why, even The Simpsons did a show about it way back in '96? Even a Bible verse can be an insult if you throw it in someone's face like it applies to them, even though the rest of the world can see it doesn't.

What do you think, gang? Am I getting through to this Republican, this Missouri mule? Or do I need a bigger 2X4 to make myself heard?

Theory advanced: Republicans always listen with an open mind to polite people. Conclusion after being examined by people who actually phone banked and canvassed for Ron Paul -- while certain others banned people from websites to censor them while sitting on the air conditioned sidelines: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

"Didn't you vote for Weld?" "Didn't you vote for Weld?"

My turn to be a nosy old fossil. Didn't you vote for McCain? Are you still in favor of bomb bomb bombing Iran, Little Miss Polite And Not At All Presumptuous? This must be the way you want to be treated, because this is how you treat me.

If I would never criticize Trump it would make it easier for you to deliver your Trump sales pitch, is what you're really trying to say, is it not? Because you never let me vote for Johnson in peace, did you? Hypocrite much? You're still kvetching about it a dozen years later. Oy!

 

[jmdrake]

He did have the right to, see my post about the Insurrection Act.
And if he didn't actually have to do it himself it was because he threatened to and made the Governor finally do it. (after which the Governor's family gave support to the rioters by telling them the NG's plans)

Okay. Let me rephrase. Trump had the sole authority to deploy to D.C. And the risk of deploying elsewhere? Well consider what Bill Clinton did to the Branch Davidians. I know [MENTION=660]LibertyEagle[/MENTION] brought up JFK and Alabama but that result doesn't bother me. Waco does. Legal or not it shouldn't have happened.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Only if you're stupid enough to live in Oregon. Each state and city has the right to make a broke, burning hellhole of itself. Why should my taxes be used to try to slap some sense into them? Simply because they offend your sensibilities?

No, principles don't bend with the wind. Thinking like that is just exactly what is flushing this nation down the Toilet of Empires.



That was no communist revolution. Revolutions happen on a national stage and scale. That was just a silly show designed to get you and people like you to tie your own panties in a knot.

It was happening all over the nation.
It was incubating in blue states and starting to spread to red states.
The left was trying to give communist revolution a foothold from which it could try to conquer the entire nation.

Principles do not bend, they just don't apply in completely different situations, don't kill people doesn't apply when you are doing it in self defense, but according to you it does.

And Americans in blue states also pay taxes and have a right to be protected from communist revolution.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Okay. Let me rephrase. Trump had the sole authority to deploy to D.C. And the risk of deploying elsewhere? Well consider what Bill Clinton did to the Branch Davidians. I know @LibertyEagle brought up JFK and Alabama but that result doesn't bother me. Waco does. Legal or not it shouldn't have happened.

The Insurrection Act gives him sole authority all over the nation in cases of insurrection.

And see my reply to Liberty Eagle, failure to use legitimate power justly does nothing to protect you from your enemies using legitimate or illegitimate power unjustly.

In the past you have supported the use of troops to forcibly integrate schools in the south, this was far more justifiable.

 

[Anti Federalist]

That was no communist revolution. Revolutions happen on a national stage and scale. That was just a silly show designed to get you and people like you to tie your own panties in a knot.

That's simply not true.

Almost all revolutions, Marxist or otherwise, including our own revolution, start at a single, localized "flash point" and then spread from there.

 

[jmdrake]

The Insurrection Act gives him sole authority all over the nation in cases of insurrection.

And see my reply to Liberty Eagle, failure to use legitimate power justly does nothing to protect you from your enemies using legitimate or illegitimate power unjustly.

In the past you have supported the use of troops to forcibly integrate schools in the south, this was far more justifiable.

The insurrection act itself is bullshyt and ripe for absue as what happened in Waco.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/insurrection-act-explained

 

[acptulsa]

It was happening all over the nation.

Not where I live.

It was incubating in blue states and starting to spread to red states.

No it wasn't. How little you people who post from the Pacific Time Zone trust your fellow Republicans. If you ever encouraged them to stand on their principles, you'd never have to worry about any bullshit infecting red states. They'd have stronger natural immunity.

When someone was threatening to install a Satanic shrine on the Oklahoma Capitol lawn, near the granite tablet displaying the Ten Commandments, my coworker said that if it appeared he'd go knock it down.

I said, "No you won't."

He knows my sense of humor, and got a gleam in his eye, and asked me, "Why not?"

I said, "Because about a million Oklahomans live closer to it than you do, and a lot of them will beat you to it."

That you can have faith in.

The left was trying to give communist revolution a foothold from which it could try to conquer the entire nation.

Yes, but that doesn't mean you can tell the real attack from the feints or the diversions.

Principles do not bend, they just don't apply in completely different situations, don't kill people doesn't apply when you are doing it in self defense, but according to you it does.

"...but according to you..." You've never been able to wrap your gray cells around what I say, but continue to play at being the Official Interpreter of what I say. You're just like the fundie preacher telling people, don't read what Jesus said, rely on me to tell you what I think he said. Might as well be a medieval pope chanting mumbo jumbo and pretending it's Latin.

Don't murder people and don't kill people are two different principles. I do happen to believe in one and not the other, and I've never had any reason to bend either one. If you're wooly-headed in defining your principles, you don't have any principles.

And Americans in blue states also pay taxes and have a right to be protected from communist revolution.

Let them demand it of their governor. And if their governor doesn't deliver, let them throw the bum out before some hyena uses the fact that he's a sitting governor to polish his resumé for an even higher office.

Federal taxes are supposed to be for the border. Don't send my border patrol to blue states to make insane people behave. If insane people insist on living in their own dookey because they don't have enough sense not to shit where they live, that doesn't give them claim to my tax dollars. If you don't like living in the Pacific Time Zone, move. Don't make me finance your meddlesome crusade to reform your neighbors against their will.

 

[acptulsa]

That's simply not true.

Almost all revolutions, Marxist or otherwise, including our own revolution, start at a single, localized "flash point" and then spread from there.

Where? Cambodia? Certainly not in a large, diverse country like Russia or China. Both of those fed on the widespread chaos of extensive World War damage, and both required way more than one or two flashpoints.

News flash. We, the People don't need to be restrained. The Head Psychos in Charge do. How is trading Posse Comitatus for the false promise of a little security helping me? Looks like it gives the Bad Guys, who live between Fredrick and Fredericksburg and work in Washington, more power. You call that a positive step?

You're trying to give the enemy more power because you naively think the enemy will defeat the enemy for you. That's why the principle of posse comitatus is important to me. That's why it's important to you, whether you get that or not.

Remember that this country was just a baker's dozen dinky little states like yours when the first war of secession from Britain happened. Also remember that the next revolution the federal government uses this power to quash and nip in the bud may be our own. How happy will they be to use it on your state when it secedes?

 

[Swordsmyth]

The insurrection act itself is bullshyt and ripe for absue as what happened in Waco.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/insurrection-act-explained

No, the abuse of it is.
The enemy abuses all the laws they can, that doesn't mean we shouldn't use them correctly, like putting down a communist revolution being incubated by state and local governments.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Where? Cambodia? Certainly not in a large, diverse country like Russia or China. Both of those fed on the widespread chaos of extensive World War damage, and both required way more than one or two flashpoints.

News flash. We, the People don't need to be restrained. The Head Psychos in Charge do. How is trading Posse Comitatus for the false promise of a little security helping me? Looks like it gives the Bad Guys, who live between Fredrick and Fredericksburg and work in Washington, more power. You call that a positive step?

You're trying to give the enemy more power because you naively think the enemy will defeat the enemy for you. That's why the principle of posse comitatus is important to me. That's why it's important to you, whether you get that or not.

Remember that this country was just a baker's dozen dinky little states like yours when the first war of secession from Britain happened. Also remember that the next revolution the federal government uses this power to quash and nip in the bud may be our own. How happy will they be to use it on your state when it secedes?

Your knowledge of history is anemic.
Russia and China both started in one or a few localities and spread to take over some regions and then eventually overwhelmed the entire country, just like the French Revolution and nearly all other revolutions.
And the "Mostly Peaceful" Revolution was following the same pattern.

Crushing the communist revolution in the bud did nothing to make enemy abuse more possible or likely, allowing it to happen would.

 

[acptulsa]

Crushing the communist revolution in the bud did nothing to make enemy abuse more possible or likely, allowing it to happen would.

What happened in 2020 was "crushing the communist revolution"?

Then why did it result in all the socialist bullshit from out of control socialized medicine culling the herd to hyperinflation?

Sounds like the commies won to me. What parallel universe are you living in?

 

[Swordsmyth]

What happened in 2020 was "crushing the communist revolution"?

Then why did it result in all the socialist bull$#@! from out of control socialized medicine culling the herd to hyperinflation?

Sounds like the commies won to me. What parallel universe are you living in?

Because the enemy has backup plans and lots of power to force them through.
But a direct bolshevik revolution would have resulted in much worse.

Your pathetic attempts to deny the obvious don't hold water.

 

[acptulsa]

Because the enemy has backup plans and lots of power to force them through.
But a direct bolshevik revolution would have resulted in much worse.

Your pathetic attempts to deny the obvious don't hold water.

So what you're saying is, there are worse things than Biden?

Is there no limit to the stupid things you can be goaded into typing just because you're knee-jerk contrary when certain people are around?

 

[Swordsmyth]

So what you're saying is, there are worse things than Biden?

Is there no limit to the stupid things you can be goaded into typing just because you're knee-jerk contrary when certain people are around?

Ever hear of Lenin? or Mao? or Pol Pot? (I could go on and on)
There are much worse things than Biden out there.

 

[acptulsa]

Ever hear of Lenin? or Mao? or Pol Pot? (I could go on and on)
There are much worse things than Biden out there.

No. The senile, child molesting puppet who believes in slavery is the worst. He and his handlers were just constrained by the Constitution.

And Trump has tried to suspend the Constitution before, so there's no reason but blind, misplaced faith to ASSume he won't try again.

 

[Swordsmyth]

No. The senile, child molesting puppet who believes in slavery is the worst. He and his handlers were just constrained by the Constitution.

And Trump has tried to suspend the Constitution before, so there's no reason but blind, misplaced faith to ASSume he won't try again.

The light begins to penetrate your fog!
He is only restrained by the Constitution because Trump put down the communist revolution intended to overthrow it.

And your lie about Trump trying to suspend the Constitution has been refuted many times now, it's not even what Massie claimed and Massie was provably wrong about what he did claim.

 

[acptulsa]

The light begins to penetrate your fog!
He is only restrained by the Constitution because Trump put down the communist revolution intended to overthrow it.

And your lie about Trump trying to suspend the Constitution has been refuted many times now, it's not even what Massie claimed and Massie was provably wrong about what he did claim.

I love seeing Massie get called a liar by someone claiming that Trump defeated a revolt by losing an election.

You're right, by the way. Trump did stop -- or rather, pause -- the fascist revolution by not properly contesting that election.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I love seeing Massie get called a liar

I said he was wrong, not that he was necessarily lying.
But you knew that before you accused me of calling him a liar.

by someone claiming that Trump defeated a revolt by losing an election.

Another thing you just made up out of whole cloth.
I never said anything like that.

You're right, by the way. Trump did stop -- or rather, pause -- the fascist revolution by not properly contesting that election.

LOL
Too ridiculous to bother with.

 

[acptulsa]

Another thing you just made up out of whole cloth.
I never said anything like that.

So, he defeated the attempted communist revolution of 2020 in some year other than 2020? Or 2020 wasn't the year he failed to maintain his position in office?

 

[Swordsmyth]

So, he defeated the attempted communist revolution of 2020 in some year other than 2020? Or 2020 wasn't the year he failed to maintain his position in office?

In the same year =/= by.