Jenni and Fidel Rivera

[Brian4Liberty]

Seems like you could do the same thing by just pretending to be illegal.

As long as you know Spanish or Swahili or something

To a certain extent you could get away with some of that.

But then you'd be a criminal fraudster instead of being a hard working, good, honest, irreplaceable, saint-like victim of the racist MAGAs.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I said his wife was:

Although Fidel's wife and daughters will remain in the United States for now, Jenni is already planning to retire early so she can leave the country and be with her husband.

Ah, from part of the article you didn't post in the OP.

Wonder if she will illegally work in Mexico, after her "retirement"?

“I'm going to use all of my retirement income and leave this country to spend it somewhere else. We'll sell this house and buy something else, and it won't be here,” Jenni said. "The United States is losing money on families like ours. That doesn't make sense."

On the bright side, they are doing their part to relieve the housing crisis in the US....

 

[PAF]

Ah, from part of the article you didn't post in the OP.

I linked the article. It is up to people to take the initiative to read and also to cross-reference for verification.

Wonder if she will illegally work in Mexico, after her "retirement"?

Mexico can be lax if it will help them economically. I speak from first hand experience. They are not as backward as this so-called "land of the free home of the brave" is quickly becoming. The U.S. will realize that after it is too late.

On the bright side, they are doing their part to relieve the housing crisis in the US....

You said "housing crisis" It's like "they're stealing my job!" What a bunch of left-tard Obama/Hillary clones this forum has as of late

 

[Brian4Liberty]

You said "housing crisis" It's like "they're stealing my job!" What a bunch of left-tard Obama/Hillary clones this forum has as of late

Right. You got nothing.

 

[PAF]

Right. You got nothing.

You sure as shit don't.

When America can't/doesn't want to compete, it conquers, and then simply blames "others".

 

[CaptUSA]

What a pathetic appeal to Fed.gov to meddle into the private affairs of others to the point of breaking up a productive family unit, all because you advocate Papers Please, elimination of due process and permission to work from Fed.gov. Damn, you can't censor enough.

Are you 12? Or retarded?

RP on the record:
I have a strong position on immigration. I don't think that we should give amnesty and they become voters. But I do think we should deal with our borders. One way that I would suggest that we could do it is pay less attention to the borders between Afghanistan and Iraq and Pakistan and bring our troops home and deal with the border.
Yes, we do have a national responsibility for our borders. We need better immigration services, obviously. But if you subsidize something or give people incentives, you get more of it. So if you give easy road to citizenship, you're going to have more illegals. If you have a weak economy, which is understandable and we should have prevented, that's understandable. But mandating to the states that we have to provide free medical care and free education, that's a great burden to all the border states. So I would say eliminate all these benefits and talk about eliminating the welfare state because it's detrimental not only to here but the people that come because that's the incentive to bring their families with them.
Q: You say you’re a strict constructionist of the Constitution, and yet you want to amend the Constitution to say that children born here should not automatically be US citizens.
A: Well, amending the Constitution is constitutional. What’s the contradiction there?

Q: So in the Constitution as written, you want to amend?

A: Well, that’s constitutional, to do it. Besides, it was the 14th Amendment. It wasn’t in the original Constitution. And there’s confusion on interpretation. In the early years, it was never interpreted that way, and it’s still confusing because individuals are supposed to have birthright citizenship if they’re under the jurisdiction of the government. And somebody who illegally comes in this country as a drug dealer, is he under the jurisdiction and their children deserve citizenship? I think it’s awfully, awfully confusing, and, matter of fact, I have a bill to change that as well as a Constitutional amendment to clarify it.

 

[PAF]

Are you 12? Or retarded?

2 choices. Figures coming from you, that's like picking between republican and democrat. What about a 3rd choice: Mensa.

RP on the record:
I have a strong position on immigration. I don't think that we should give amnesty and they become voters. But I do think we should deal with our borders. One way that I would suggest that we could do it is pay less attention to the borders between Afghanistan and Iraq and Pakistan and bring our troops home and deal with the border.
Yes, we do have a national responsibility for our borders. We need better immigration services, obviously. But if you subsidize something or give people incentives, you get more of it. So if you give easy road to citizenship, you're going to have more illegals. If you have a weak economy, which is understandable and we should have prevented, that's understandable. But mandating to the states that we have to provide free medical care and free education, that's a great burden to all the border states. So I would say eliminate all these benefits and talk about eliminating the welfare state because it's detrimental not only to here but the people that come because that's the incentive to bring their families with them.
Q: You say you’re a strict constructionist of the Constitution, and yet you want to amend the Constitution to say that children born here should not automatically be US citizens.
A: Well, amending the Constitution is constitutional. What’s the contradiction there?

Q: So in the Constitution as written, you want to amend?

A: Well, that’s constitutional, to do it. Besides, it was the 14th Amendment. It wasn’t in the original Constitution. And there’s confusion on interpretation. In the early years, it was never interpreted that way, and it’s still confusing because individuals are supposed to have birthright citizenship if they’re under the jurisdiction of the government. And somebody who illegally comes in this country as a drug dealer, is he under the jurisdiction and their children deserve citizenship? I think it’s awfully, awfully confusing, and, matter of fact, I have a bill to change that as well as a Constitutional amendment to clarify it.

I am well aware of all of that. What you are obviously not aware of, is that a couple/few months ago on one of his Liberty Report episodes, Ron was asked directly if he was for open borders or closed. Ron Paul said that he "leans open borders". Listen to his episodes in full once in a while and maybe you might learn something.

It's the policies that are wrong, and before we lose all of our freedoms the people had better wake up and start to talk about those, rather than be accepting of surveillance, biometrics, forcing people out without due process, violation of rights, eminent domain, etc.

Lastly, in case you also haven't read my posts in their entirety, I do not support or condone welfare money given to anybody. I also agree with Ron that we shouldn't let them vote, the same way that I don't think you and others be allowed to vote, especially for pre-selected candidates, on my behalf.

Come back to me when you can hold an intelligent conversation.

 

[TheTexan]

rather than be accepting of surveillance, biometrics, forcing people out without due process, violation of rights, eminent domain, etc.

A big driver of these policies is the simple fact that we don't trust each other because we have nothing in common.

Which is one of the many reasons why I am in favor of deporting Juan and Fidel back to Ciudad Hidalgo.

I don't like these policies any more than you do, but for freedom to thrive we have to re-create the conditions that allowed it to thrive in the first place.

 

[unknown]

Leave @PAF alone, WTF.

 

[Danke]

Speaking of being here this long and having an American wife, why hasn't he gotten some form of valid immigration status at this point?

Mexicans, like Injuns, are lazy.

 

[69360]

Why am I supposed to feel sorry for this guy? He had 30 years to get legal status in the US and didn't.

 

[PAF]

Why am I supposed to feel sorry for this guy? He had 30 years to get legal status in the US and didn't.

You are a bigger threat to individualism/self-determination than any long-term undocumented person. But you are too indoctrinated and for the state to understand and/or realize that.

"Don’t tread on me."

 

[CaptUSA]

Why am I supposed to feel sorry for this guy? He had 30 years to get legal status in the US and didn't.

Imagine going to any foreign country... ANY country.

Staying there illegally and undocumented for 30 years.

And then getting mad at their government for having the temerity to tell you to leave.

 

[PAF]

Imagine going to any foreign country... ANY country.

Staying there illegally and undocumented for 30 years.

And then getting mad at their government for having the temerity to tell you to leave.

Yeah, I know how badly you want to transform this Land of the Free Home of the Brave into North Korea. I get it. You don't have to keep reminding me and pushing that point. All of you statists and government worshippers are the same, it's nothing new to me.

I go to Mexico quite often and have overstayed. I rented from a nice person, helped out the neighbors with yard work and carrying groceries if they asked me, picked up a side job from time to time if I'm not up to exploring the country-side. I have never had a problem, certainly not like I do when I return back to the states because of people like you in this "land of the free".

Get over yourself. You're from Butler, go pick up a football and toss it around in your yard.

Societies are diverse, full of competing ideas and complex information provided by populations and humans making individual decisions; this is a lot to manage in a centrally-planned society. Central planners disregard this information and—in an act of arrogance and superiority—make decisions for their populations, pushing compliance from the top down.

 

[69360]

You are a bigger threat to individualism/self-determination than any long-term undocumented person. But you are too indoctrinated and for the state to understand and/or realize that.

"Don’t tread on me."

The guy isn't a threat to anyone. I'm fine with him staying, he seems like an ok guy. He just needs to do things the right way. Go back to Mexico, get a green card and visa due to your American wife and come back legally.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting our country to have borders and documenting who crosses them. I am the norm and you are the exception.

 

[69360]

Yeah, I know how badly you want to transform this Land of the Free Home of the Brave into North Korea. I get it. You don't have to keep reminding me and pushing that point. All of you statists and government worshippers are the same, it's nothing new to me.

I go to Mexico quite often and have overstayed. I rented from a nice person, helped out the neighbors with yard work and carrying groceries if they asked me, picked up a side job from time to time if I'm not up to exploring the country-side. I have never had a problem, certainly not like I do when I return back to the states because of people like you in this "land of the free".

Get over yourself. You're from Butler, go pick up a football and toss it around in your yard.

Enjoy Mexican prison if you get caught.

 

[PAF]

The guy isn't a threat to anyone. I'm fine with him staying, he seems like an ok guy. He just needs to do things the right way. Go back to Mexico, get a green card and visa due to your American wife and come back legally.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting our country to have borders and documenting who crosses them. I am the norm and you are the exception.

"The border" represents that we have a Bill of Rights which is merely an outline of our Natural Rights. Nowhere do Natural Rights imply or demand that people be "documented" or have a "Green Card" to come and/or go. If one is suspected of or commits an actual crime against person or property, they have the right to face their accuser in a court of law before a jury.

Perhaps I am the exception - in this day and age.

 

[PAF]

Enjoy Mexican prison if you get caught.

I've been asked in passing but never apprehended. Not that it couldn't ever happen, but many typically don't care

 

[CaptUSA]

Yeah, I know how badly you want to transform this Land of the Free Home of the Brave into North Korea.

Yep. That's it. Either complete and unfettered open borders or North Korea.

Do you expect anyone to take you seriously with all those strawmen??

 

[PAF]

Yep. That's it. Either complete and unfettered open borders or North Korea.

Do you expect anyone to take you seriously with all those strawmen??

I would say to you and a couple of others on this forum that North Korea is already to your liking so why not leave the land of the free home of the brave and relocate over there. But, since you're too lazy and/or comfortable you'll end staying here and try to mold this country into something that it was never intended to be. Which is why Socialism spreads like cancer:

'The Only Pro-Freedom Solution to America’s Immigration Morass'

Oct 9, 2025

by Jacob G. Hornberger
October 8, 2025


As I have emphasized for 35 years here at The Future of Freedom Foundation — and as I have again emphasized in my new book The Case for Open Borders: a Primer — there is one — and only one — solution to America’s decades-long, ongoing, never-ending, perpetual immigration crisis and the gigantic, ever-expanding immigration police state that enforces it. That solution is open borders — genuine open borders — that is, the same type of system we have here inside the United States with respect to state borders — in other...

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