Jeffrey Tucker: Has Donald Trump Unleashed the Neo-Nazis?

[Brian4Liberty]

Upon further consideration, the real question is who is left in politics that isn't a full-blown imperial-authoritarian. The Left, the Right, and the centrists all agree on certain basic principles:

- supremacy of the Federal government in all things (the Right may deny it but their actions say otherwise)
- the US is entitled to interfere in the affairs of any other nation it pleases, on any basis it can conjure
- the individual has no rights that can't be abridged by government
- the fast-approaching fiscal cataclysm is not important enough to spend any significant amount of time addressing
- Iran and Russia must be enemies no matter how little sense that makes

Actually, they are usually globalist in scope, so the US Federal government is one step down from international rule.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

There may be some truth to that, but I think it's unfair to paint them all that way, or even most. Many people are impacted by it everyday in their towns, even if their arguments aren't the most articulate and they aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer it doesn't mean they are "just racism/chauvinism/xenophobia."

I'm not painting them all that way (we're talking millions of people, there all always going to be exceptions), just a solid majority, and that is what I've seen with my own eyes (granted, it may not be a representative sample, but it's all I have to go on). But, even supposing you're right, and they're not racist/chauvinist/xenophobic, they're just incorrigibly stupid - still, no debate is possible.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

This is a guy who -- on the advice of feminist infiltrator Cathy Reisenwitz -- decried thinkers like Hoppe because they're "libertarian brutalists" and he's a "libertarian humanitarian". Who cares what he thinks about anything? Fear of "neo-Nazis" is just hysteria. Anyone who actually identifies as such is just a loser trying to find an identity, not a legitimate threat.

 

[alucard13mm]

Illegal immigrants =/= legal immigrants. I am of chinese decend of a poor chinese family that migrated to usa legally through the proper channels.

I bet open border proponents would still support open borders if mexico (or canada..) had ebola or zombies... theyd still support it after they got bit or have ebola... just because they dont want to show papers for entering a SOVEREIGN nation.

When you change demographics, you change the laws being written and passed.

 

[acptulsa]

White Nationalist and Neo-Nazi are not the same thing, not even close. That's like saying libertarians are Republicans. No one is denying any American the right to travel or settle where they will, WTF are you talking about?

Dude. Let me help you out. When you see a little white balloon in a post, the odds are reasonably good that the post will be a response to the words in the white balloon. If the words in the balloon are about some stormfronters, white nationalists and/or David Duke fans who invaded the forums years ago, then the response might well be assumed to be a response pertaining to that very same subject. And to assume otherwise about the post is generally a sign that the person doing the assuming is either lacking enough in respect for the people in the conversation to be sloppy about following along, is deliberately trying to misrepresent what was said in an effort to make the person look ignorant, or is a result of retardation.

Excuse me while I refrain from speculating about whether I want Door #1, Door #2, or Door #3.

Yeah, didn't notice it was you at first, it's been edited, sorry you wrote all babble for nothing.

Noticed it was you right off (who else could it be?), this is the only edit, sorry you came here to babble in the first place.

 

[erowe1]

This is a guy who -- on the advice of feminist infiltrator Cathy Reisenwitz -- decried thinkers like Hoppe because they're "libertarian brutalists" and he's a "libertarian humanitarian". Who cares what he thinks about anything? Fear of "neo-Nazis" is just hysteria. Anyone who actually identifies as such is just a loser trying to find an identity, not a legitimate threat.

Do you have a source for that?

Jeffrey Tucker wrote the preface for Hoppe's, The Great Fiction, and contributed a chapter to a Festschrift in his honor. He also seems pretty appreciative of him in this interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsQo0dhfTaw

The problem isn't people who actually identify as neo-Nazis. It's all the people who are practically the same as one without identifying as one.

 

[erowe1]

Illegal immigrants =/= legal immigrants

Oh, so if all the immigration that is currently illegal were made legal, you wouldn't have a problem with it?

When you change demographics, you change the laws being written and passed.

Are you saying that you don't want to change the laws that are being written and passed?

 

[erowe1]

There may be some truth to that, but I think it's unfair to paint them all that way, or even most.

How could they not all be that way? Donald Trump has not given anyone any rational reason to support him whatsoever, not even in immigration policy. Support for him is no less emotion driven then the vacuous hope and change sentimentality of many Obama supporters in 2008. The difference is that for Trump this makes up a full 100% of his support, whereas with Obama it was probably only about 75%.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Do you have a source for that?

Jeffrey Tucker wrote the preface for Hoppe's, The Great Fiction, and contributed a chapter to a Festschrift in his honor. He also seems pretty appreciative of him in this interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsQo0dhfTaw

The article was called 'Against Libertarian Brutalism'. Interestingly, the link from fee.org is now seemingly dead. You can see some of the material among the many critiques.

The problem isn't people who actually identify as neo-Nazis. It's all the people who are practically the same as one without identifying as one.

Who is "practically the same" as a neo-Nazi? I don't care for David Duke at all really, but he isn't a natsoc. There are some stormfags who admire Hitler, but they're never going to have any power or influence anyone who does.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Are you saying that you don't want to change the laws that are being written and passed?

To those of Mexico or El Salvador? Eh, not really.

 

[jkob]

As if Trump is any more fascist than Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton, the establishment is fascist.

 

[cindy25]

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/252825-poll-trump-beats-hillary-head-to-head

and now Trump is ahead of Hillary.

the fascism vs socialist battle is playing out in other countries, from Canada to France.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Actually, they are usually globalist in scope, so the US Federal government is one step down from international rule.

That's splitting hairs a bit, IMHO.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/252825-poll-trump-beats-hillary-head-to-head

and now Trump is ahead of Hillary.

the fascism vs socialist battle is playing out in other countries, from Canada to France.

And it is indeed a grand illusion. Mises demonstrates this in his book "Socialism".

 

[Brian4Liberty]

That's splitting hairs a bit, IMHO.

Not at all. It's a huge distinction. National sovereignty is extremely important to many people for different reasons. The protections of the Bill of Rights go away when they are superseded by international agreements or laws. Nations are one way to limit the size of government. The Federal government is too big, but an international government is far bigger. And who wants regulations and taxes dictated by unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats in Geneva or some other global hub?

Of course the distinction between the Federal government and a global entity is not important to globalists who would prefer to see all nations disappear, whether they want a global government, or no government at all.

 

[acptulsa]

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/252825-poll-trump-beats-hillary-head-to-head

and now Trump is ahead of Hillary.

the fascism vs socialist battle is playing out in other countries, from Canada to France.

SurveyUSA

Cell-phone and home-phone respondents are included in this survey. SurveyUSA interviewed 1,000 USA adults 09/02/15 and 09/03/15. Of the adults, 900 were registered to vote. Of the registered voters, 58% (522) pay "a lot" of attention to politics. This survey was conducted using blended sample, mixed-mode. Respondents reachable on a home telephone (62% of registered voters) were interviewed on their home (landline) telephone in the recorded voice of a professional announcer. Respondents not reachable on a home telephone (38% of registered voters) were shown a question on their smartphone, tablet or other electronic device. Cell respondents, as is typically the case, vote more Democratic than do landline respondents. Among just the universe of cell-phone respondents, Clinton defeats Trump by 16 points; Sanders defeats Trump by 12 points; Biden defeats Trump by 17 points; and Gore defeats Trump by 17 points. The more cell-phone respondents a pollster includes in its "mix" of voters, the more Democratic the poll results will be.

They seem intent on turning the growing distrust of Clinton into a commercial for Trump. Of all the seventeen GOP candidates, they either didn't ask how all of them did against the Democrats or didn't care to tell us what they found out.

It's also telling that they asked this about Clinton, Sanders, and two people not in the race--Biden and proven loser Al Gore. Martin O'Who? Jim Who? Lincoln Who?

 

[erowe1]

To those of Mexico or El Salvador? Eh, not really.

Really? Because I was under the impression that you wanted the US to adopt their immigration laws.

 

[erowe1]

As if Trump is any more fascist than Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton, the establishment is fascist.

I think Trump is more fascist than they are. It's not just policy, although that's a big part of it, but also attitude.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Really? Because I was under the impression that you wanted the US to adopt their immigration laws.

Hhmm... no, I want our own immigration laws followed. You know, those things you hate, as you seem to love illegal aliens breaking our laws and flooding into our country en masse, murdering Americans, costing us huge amounts of money (and we are bankrupt last time I checked) giving them free medical care, free education, etc. Not to mention, the whole national sovereignty thing. Something I am under the impression that you don't care about.

 

[William R]

Can't stand leftist libertarians. Really dumb article