Jeb Bush, convert to Catholicism

[Brian4Liberty]

Won't hurt him at all. The midwestern evangelical protestants loved them some frothy.

Interesting. The list of Catholic neoconservatives grows.

Hannity, Gingrich, Peter King, Santorum, Jeb Bush...

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Interesting. The list of Catholic neoconservatives grows.

Hannity, Gingrich, Peter King, Santorum, Jeb Bush...

Is Hannity a true neocon? I heard he was just a fanboy of the neocon movement.

 

[specsaregood]

Meh. The demographics of congress don't resemble American society either.

Religion-wise its a heck of a lot closer than the S.C.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Yeah. It doesn't make sense. I'm black but the only people on the Supreme Court were black and hispanic, I'd be concerned. It would mean somebody is likely stacking the deck. The question is to what end?

The Catholic Church isn't what it used to be.

The current pontiff is by all indications a Marxist.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Is Hannity a true neocon? I heard he was just a fanboy of the neocon movement.

Close enough for government work. 100% neo-con on foreign policy and the warfare/surveillance state. His claims of being fiscally conservative, small government, supporting the rule of law, and opposition to expanded executive power are purely a partisan charade. He would support making a neo-con in the Presidency an absolute Caesar in a heartbeat. But he wants to cut taxes to big corporations, so he's a libertarian!

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Interesting. The list of Catholic neoconservatives grows.

Hannity, Gingrich, Peter King, Santorum, Jeb Bush...

Looks like we have a couple of new members for the list...

From a thread on Brian Williams:

I wonder when the elite got to this guy? His heritage & academic background is similar to O'Reilly. Irish, Roman Catholic, Metropolitan Area. I bet he fooled himself to think that he's doing god's work, so he signed on for this NWO gig, where they pay him handsomely.

Let's also add Chris Matthews, as the list includes both elitist Trotskyites and Leninists.

Hannity, Gingrich, Peter King, Santorum, Jeb Bush, Bill O'Reilly, Brian Williams, Chris Matthews.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Worth repeating, from another thread:

It should be obvious, but to point it out once again, an elite group of Catholics with an agenda have no relation whatsoever to the average Catholic. This applies to any another other group where an elite of that group pushes an agenda, without the consent or even the knowledge of the average member of that group.

 

[idiom]

You might get banned for that type of talk.

Seriously though, America's political world has been dominated by Roman Catholics and Jews for over a hundred years. And you are right that Roman Catholic theology supports statism, intervention, redistribution of wealth, and foreign policy messianism.

(Of course this is just the opinion of Sola_Fide....feel free to disagree)

Perhaps they are just more organised? Protestants, almost by definition, can't collectively organise their way out of a paper bag and spend far to much time railing on homosexuality due to the closeted fears of the mega-preachers. Protestants have way more time, manpower and money, but seem to think stacking the political deck just isn't cricket.

They should be busy banning members and preachers who have credit cards, instead of focusing on the ones who are contagiously gay.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Perhaps they are just more organised? Protestants, almost by definition, can't collectively organise their way out of a paper bag and spend far to much time railing on homosexuality due to the closeted fears of the mega-preachers. Protestants have way more time, manpower and money, but seem to think stacking the political deck just isn't cricket.[SUP][/SUP]

They should be busy banning members and preachers who have credit cards, instead of focusing on the ones who are contagiously gay.

No, I don't think that is the reason. First of all, I have to qualify what I am going to say because I don't believe the majority of "protestants" are Christians. But I believe a Biblical worldview is anti statist and will always be the minority view in history. I believe a biblical Christian worldview is decidedly individualistic and not concerned with political action.

Read the Catholic Catechsim...it is as much a political document as a statement of faith. The Roman Catholic worldview is a political one. That is why they are so interested in this world. Their kingdom is a worldly kingdom. But Christ preached that His kingdom was not of this world.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

No, I don't think that is the reason. First of all, I have to qualify what I am going to say because I don't believe the majority of "protestants" are Christians. But I believe a Biblical worldview is anti statist and will always be the minority view in history. I believe a biblical Christian worldview is decidedly individualistic and not concerned with political action.

Read the Catholic Catechsim...it is as much a political document as a statement of faith. The Roman Catholic worldview is a political one. That is why they are so interested in this world. Their kingdom is a worldly kingdom. But Christ preached that His kingdom was not of this world.

Here is the RCC: http://www.accracatholic.org/files/Catechism-of-the-CatholicChurch-2nd-Edition.pdf Find the pages and passages that prove your claim for me.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Here is the RCC: http://www.accracatholic.org/files/Catechism-of-the-CatholicChurch-2nd-Edition.pdf Find the pages and passages that prove your claim for me.

Okay, here's one:

It is the role of the state to defend and promote the common good of civil society. The common good of the whole human family calls for an organization of society on the international level.

The Catholic Catechism calls for an international statist role to "defend the common good". If that isn't statist, then what world do you live on?

 

[fr33]

Now we're on to something. Isn't it interesting how the United States was founded as a Protestant Christian nation, and at some point, this "Judeo-Christian" talking point was created? It almost seems like we are now "Judeo-Catholic", and Protestantism has become a dirty word. Perhaps that was a goal? Maybe the Kennedy family could give some answers?

It's apparent that someone in the know like Jeb Bush has found it to be advantageous to make it known that he is "no longer a WASP".

Catholics would tell you that they are Christian too and part of the Judeo-Christian thingy you are referencing.

*edit: As a former Catholic, it was never taught to me that Protestants were not fellow Christians but I was told by Protestants that being Catholic was not Christian. If you are looking for some conspiracy where Catholics are undermining Protestants, I just don't see it. Catholics don't tend to go out trying to convert Protestants but the Baptists around here do try that with Catholics.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Catholics would tell you that they are Christian too and part of the Judeo-Christian thingy you are referencing.

*edit: As a former Catholic, it was never taught to me that Protestants were not fellow Christians but I was told by Protestants that being Catholic was not Christian. If you are looking for some conspiracy where Catholics are undermining Protestants, I just don't see it. Catholics don't tend to go out trying to convert Protestants but the Baptists around here do try that with Catholics.

Fr33, do you agree with this?

It is the role of the state to defend and promote the common good of civil society. The common good of the whole human family calls for an organization of society on the international level.

It's from the Catholic Catechism.

 

[RJB]

If the US population suddenly preferred the Wiccan Religion, I would bet 90+% of the congress would suddenly become witches. That's what politicians do.

 

[fr33]

Fr33, do you agree with this?

It is the role of the state to defend and promote the common good of civil society. The common good of the whole human family calls for an organization of society on the international level.

It's from the Catholic Catechism.

No. I'm no longer a Catholic but was just trying to add my perspective as a former one. So I'll do it for your quote: I've known a lot of Catholics that don't agree with the Vatican. Family tradition and belief in God is more important to them than what comes out of Rome. That is usually why they are Catholic.

 

[Sola_Fide]

No. I'm no longer a Catholic but was just trying to add my perspective as a former one. So I'll do it for your quote: I've known a lot of Catholics that don't agree with the Vatican. Family tradition and belief in God is more important to them than what comes out of Rome. That is usually why they are Catholic.

I agree there are some Roman Catholics who detest the statism of Rome. When Lord Acton said "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely", he was talking about the Pope. Look it up.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I agree there are some Roman Catholics who detest the statism of Rome. When Lord Acton said "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely", he was talking about the Pope. Look it up.

So could it be that there are some Christian Catholics that reject what Rome teaches about salvation?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Okay, here's one:



The Catholic Catechism calls for an international statist role to "defend the common good". If that isn't statist, then what world do you live on?

The quote says "an organization of society". That could be parsed many, many ways. Perhaps it means via Cathlic charities or theological think tanks or something. We can't know without reading the whole thing or asking the writer.

Here is just one international RC charity: http://www.crs.org/

 

[idiom]

No, I don't think that is the reason. First of all, I have to qualify what I am going to say because I don't believe the majority of "protestants" are Christians. But I believe a Biblical worldview is anti statist and will always be the minority view in history. I believe a biblical Christian worldview is decidedly individualistic and not concerned with political action.

Read the Catholic Catechsim...it is as much a political document as a statement of faith. The Roman Catholic worldview is a political one. That is why they are so interested in this world. Their kingdom is a worldly kingdom. But Christ preached that His kingdom was not of this world.

Basically what I was saying. Thus each different thread of protestantism ends up with its own reading of the biblical worldview. They deliberately avoid agreeing on things because that is how you wind up Catholic and chained up in a dungeon confessing the flaws in your worldview.

 

[fr33]

The quote says "an organization of society". That could be parsed many, many ways. Perhaps it means via Cathlic charities or theological think tanks or something. We can't know without reading the whole thing or asking the writer.

Here is just one international RC charity: http://www.crs.org/

Why do you bother with this catholic propaganda?

The most hated masses were when they had mission-fundraisers They always had an African priest or Indian or some other form of brown to come yell at us and tell us how greedy we are. I witnessed the brave minority walk out. The weekly donations weren't enough. They wanted more. They provided nothing. Everything they provided was already paid for with donations. These dickheads and our money. You should never trust them.