Jeb Bush buzz grows over possible 2016 run

One thing that I absolutely agree with Jeb on is "his" view on what needs to be done with education. He's very specific with that and he's right. Or at least relaying the correct meme.That may very well not be his personal take or it may be. I don't know. Could very likely just be echoing those specific points of discussion from some place else which is very plausible. Perhaps more than likely. Of course, coming in after an Obama term does give him an edge in the education reform department. A lot of folks I don't think quite understand the drastic change (more specifically the specific change in science, technology, engineering and math) of education kids are getting or have gotten over the last half a decade. And to be clear it doesn't really come atthe hand of the current President but has been pushed in the right direction. Things have changed rather fast (very fast actually) and are headed in the right direction. Jeb's notions don't particularly contradict the phenomenon.

One thing that both major political parties have been bipartisan on is the progress or direction they want to go with the space program and for all practical purposes Newt was spot on to recognize it for what it is and place it into discussion relevant to what the youth really are learning now.
 
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A buzz for Jeb? Check out HotAir.com's thread, 600 comments and about 580 of them say "NOT ANOTHER BUSH, I WILL VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRAT", "GET RID OF THE BUSH'S!", etc
 
Natural Citizen said:
One thing that I absolutely agree with Jeb on is "his" view on what needs to be done with education. He's very specific with that and he's right. Or at least relaying the correct meme.That may very well not be his personal take or it may be. I don't know. Could very likely just be echoing those specific points of discussion from some place else which is very plausible.
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This is why they talk about education (mentions it at LEAST 3 times):



So, what is it that he says he wants to do about education that you like? For some reason I don't believe it. The Bushes love to get the Fed Gov involved in education.
 
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Natural Citizen said:
One thing that I absolutely agree with Jeb on is "his" view on what needs to be done with education. He's very specific with that and he's right. Or at least relaying the correct meme.That may very well not be his personal take or it may be. I don't know. Could very likely just be echoing those specific points of discussion from some place else which is very plausible. Perhaps more than likely. Of course, coming in after an Obama term does give him an edge in the education reform department. A lot of folks I don't think quite understand the drastic change (more specifically the specific change in science, technology, engineering and math) of education kids are getting or have gotten over the last half a decade. And to be clear it doesn't really come atthe hand of the current President but has been pushed in the right direction. Things have changed rather fast (very fast actually) and are headed in the right direction. Jeb's notions don't particularly contradict the phenomenon.

One thing that both major political parties have been bipartisan on is the progress or direction they want to go with the space program and for all practical purposes Newt was spot on to recognize it for what it is and place it into discussion relevant to what the youth really are learning now.
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Some of the stimulus money from 2008-2009 got channeled into education; I've seen it directly being used to promote the STEM curriculum. They are pushing the hell out of it in TN; our Universities are getting a lot of funding (nowadays, it's coming from NSF) to offer courses and workshops to local K-12 teachers who are getting hit with the new curriculum.
 
dannno said:
This is why they talk about education (mentions it at LEAST 3 times):



So, what is it that he says he wants to do about education that you like? For some reason I don't believe it. The Bushes love to get the Fed Gov involved in education.
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Can't believe I fell for watching that.

Anyhoo...As I mentioned prior to this, I'm not exactly clear on if his view on it is actually his view. He clearly echoes relevant factors to be built upon though and built upon what youth are now learning. We don't have the classic education meme everyone likes to harp on so much anymore. We really don't. Sure, some...perhaps many will disagree but I would challenge many of them to crack open juniors work and take a peek at it. The entire language of math and science has changed. That's very important to understand if we're to stay on the subject of education philosophy but not so much if it's going to turn into a Bush yap session. Even though, it is a Jeb thread so...yeah.

Jeb echoes the future of education relative to infrastructure. Make no mistake about it. How far down the rabbit hole you want to go with it is up to you. Could be a rather long thread.
 
CPUd said:
Some of the stimulus money from 2008-2009 got channeled into education; I've seen it directly being used to promote the STEM curriculum. They are pushing the hell out of it in TN; our Universities are getting a lot of funding (nowadays, it's coming from NSF) to offer courses and workshops to local K-12 teachers who are getting hit with the new curriculum.
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Yeah, I had kind of hinted to one of the othe posters whose wife was having a tough time after receiving her degree finding relevant work in the education field. This is one of the big reasons why. Timing is essential during such a fast transition. It's happening quick. They are re-educating teachers in the classroom live faster than the students. The flipside of that is that these youth are already streamlined to an extent what with their access to technology. But that's only one element alone.

But yes. If you are able to follow the numbers then you know what's up. I cannot begin to tell you how much I want to go into the education thread and add some...stuff, I guess is the word. The thing is though that the current demograph of 30-40 somethings and on up just are not aware and are still stuck in the discussion relevant to socialist this and that or whatever. I just don't want any parts of that.

The thing is that when folks want to discuss bridges and roads and all of that they place discussion into the wrong language and subsequently the wrong direction. These kids are learning what it takes to build the stuff on Mars for crying out loud. How to get it done from here to there. That kind of stuff. It's a big old glass of water.:rolleyes:
 
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Natural Citizen said:
Can't believe I fell for watching that.
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"Fell for"??

Miss-direction in this precise form is one of the most important strategies the neocons have used to take power in our country. If you don't understand that, then you don't understand neocon ideology at all.


Natural Citizen said:
Anyhoo...As I mentioned prior to this, I'm not exactly clear on if his view on it is actually his view. He clearly echoes relevant factors to be built upon though and built upon what youth are now learning. We don't have the classic education meme everyone likes to harp on so much anymore. We really don't. Sure, some...perhaps many will disagree but I would challenge many of them to crack open juniors work and take a peek at it. The entire language of math and science has changed. That's very important to understand if we're to stay on the subject of education philosophy but not so much if it's going to turn into a Bush yap session. Even though, it is a Jeb thread so...yeah.

Jeb echoes the future of education relative to infrastructure. Make no mistake about it. How far down the rabbit hole you want to go with it is up to you. Could be a rather long thread.
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So he wants the Federal Government to force schools to teach from a more classical education model?
 
Miss-direction in this precise form is one of the most important strategies the neocons have used to take power in our country. If you don't understand that, then you don't understand neocon ideology at all.
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He mentioned education once. The rest of the spew was Contra speak.


So he wants the Federal Government to force schools to teach from a more classical education model?
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Federal Government part is irrelevant. What's that other speak mean? Classical education model....

Everyone has a view on what that is and really has nothing to do with education as it is right this minute. Which is classical in no way, shape or form as I understand classical to be.
 
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The quickest prescription for improving education is in getting government out of it. Separation of school and state, and all that. Bush is certainly NOT advocating that, so the ultimate outcome of his drive is to create additional federal involvement in education, AKA worsening the problem.

As I recall, the first time I heard about Bill Clinton in the '80's, he was talking up "merit pay" for teachers, a simple pseudo-conservative sounding concept to establish his moderate-yet-responsible-and-concerned public advocate credentials, prior to a presidential run. Bush is doing the same inauthentic thing. The Bush family are masters at replacing real topics with phantom ones that can be parlayed into partisan wedge issues. "Classical education" is more of the same, and will disappear the second Jeb is elected, as his regime rolls out the real agenda---more war/empire, more Fed/bankster-run economic folly, and more NDAAs.
 
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The quickest prescription for improving education is in getting government out of it. Separation of school and state, and all that. Bush is certainly NOT advocating that, so the ultimate outcome of his drive is to create additional federal involvement in education, AKA worsening the problem.

As I recall, the first time I heard about Bill Clinton in the '80's, he was talking up "merit pay" for teachers, a simple pseudo-conservative sounding concept to establish his moderate-yet-responsible-and-concerned public advocate credentials, prior to a presidential run. Bush is doing the same inauthentic thing. The Bush family are masters at replacing real topics with phantom ones that can be parlayed into partisan wedge issues. "Classical education" is more of the same, and will disappear the second Jeb is elected, as his regime rolls out the real agenda---more war/empire, more Fed/bankster-run economic folly, and more NDAAs.
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What concernes me with him and some others is that they'd opt for educating good little space weapons techs and such as opposed to using the education for more practical means. In theory though, the education platform itself is rather the same. Roosters and owles to be clear. Is why I was saying to danno that a discussion regarding education and Jeb is not on the same page as what Jeb may perhaps want to use that education for. Two different discussions, really. Sure, it's easy to see where we are headed technologically and support that concept but what one wishes to actually use it for varies. Is an unfortunate reality.
 
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I hope he does run. Rubio and him are close, and I suspect only one will run. Rubio's young enough that he can wait. He might step aside and let his mentor give it a shot. I think Jeb would be easier to beat in the primary then Rubio, so here's hoping he jumps in.

It would divide the party bosses as well. With Rubio they'd be lined up fully for him. With Bush, I think you would not see the united front you saw with Romney or McCain. At least not immediately.
 
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