Jane Roe (of Roe v Wade) to Endorse Ron Paul?

[hyoomen]

I am pro-choice because I think the world is already overpopulated. More importantly, it is filled with children cannot be cared for properly by their (probably single) mother. This also will probably mean someone else who grows up in poverty and will need government assistance.

As an interesting aside, economist Steven Levitt (of Freakanomics) has quite effectively argued that the landmark case of Roe v. Wade demonstrably eliminated a very disconcerting escalation of youth crime from the 80s and 90s. Certainly I don't think anybody argues for abortion as the solution to crime -- it is far too intimate and inflammatory a topic to be abused so coldly -- but the observation is still quite remarkable.

 

[diesirae]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Ms Roe is kind of a pro-life crazy-person at this point.

Not that people who are pro-life are crazy, but it's like having the inverse Cindy Sheehan endorsing you.

 

[colecrowe]

This is the only issue I don't agree w/ Dr. Paul on, but it's not a deal breaker for me. I am pro-choice because I think the world is already overpopulated. More importantly, it is filled with children cannot be cared for properly by their (probably single) mother. This also will probably mean someone else who grows up in poverty and will need government assistance.

I came to this conclusion a long time ago, but then heard Stern say the same thing a few years back, not that it matters.

I am one of those children you speak of. My mother was drinking, smoking, and doing drugs thru her pregnancy. She went to get me aborted at the 4 month point (I think) and they told her it was too late. She was horribly abusive, we were poor, but I am happy every day that she didn't do it. I bet 95+% of those children you speak of feel the exact same way. Being alive is the greatest thing in the world, no matter how crappy it is, imo

 

[literatim]

This is the only issue I don't agree w/ Dr. Paul on, but it's not a deal breaker for me. I am pro-choice because I think the world is already overpopulated. More importantly, it is filled with children cannot be cared for properly by their (probably single) mother. This also will probably mean someone else who grows up in poverty and will need government assistance.

I came to this conclusion a long time ago, but then heard Stern say the same thing a few years back, not that it matters.

So do you advocate killing poor people?

 

[mongoose]

I am one of those children you speak of. My mother was drinking, smoking, and doing drugs thru her pregnancy. She went to get me aborted at the 4 month point (I think) and they told her it was too late. She was horribly abusive, we were poor, but I am happy every day that she didn't do it. I bet 95+% of those children you speak of feel the exact same way. Being alive is the greatest thing in the world, no matter how crappy it is, imo

I think about this tonight......thanks.

 

[Rhys]

I am one of those children you speak of. My mother was drinking, smoking, and doing drugs thru her pregnancy. She went to get me aborted at the 4 month point (I think) and they told her it was too late. She was horribly abusive, we were poor, but I am happy every day that she didn't do it. I bet 95+% of those children you speak of feel the exact same way. Being alive is the greatest thing in the world, no matter how crappy it is, imo

I like how Reagen put it:

"I notice as I look around this room, all the people here who support abortion were never themselves aborted."

 

[colecrowe]

I think about this tonight......thanks.

thank you for having an open mind. that is awesome.

 

[Deborah K]

You may find it difficult to accept, but there are many obstetricians, midwives, pre/postnatal doctors, and others in the medical field who acknowledge, and/or condone, and/or support, and/or embrace the right of people to decide whether abortion is a justifiable option. I'd argue that Dr. Paul's stance on abortion is perhaps predicated more on his cultural/religious background than upon his professional experiences, though they have apparently been mutually reinforcing.

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As an aside -- not specifically in relation to Deborah K's comment, it seems many supporters of Dr. Paul are willfully and dangerously naive that fellow supporters share identical sociocultural and religious beliefs. What unifies us, again, seems to me a belief that only a decentralized and representative government can truly account for the varied beliefs and circumstances inherent in the United States of America. Please continue to embrace everybody else by demonstrating that our love for each other's freedom can override our tendency to moralize through legislation.

I disagree with you if you think societies don't legislate morality. Please explain how: "don't steal", "don't kill", and "don't lie" (perjury) are universally considered against the law. Legislation is supposed to protect people against harm. (Although that isn't the case anymore) That, in and of itself, involves morality. I don't get why "morality" is now considered a politically incorrect view. It is simply distinguishing between what is right and what is wrong. Right and wrong are NOT relative to the degree that WRONG involves harming another individual.

Your phrase, "...dangerously naive that fellow supporters share identical sociocultural and religious beliefs" is equally as judgemental, if not condescending. Dangerously naive? How so? I don't think anyone here assumes we all agree on everything and I think it is presumptuous of you to expect everyone to qualify their posts by adding phrases such as: "in my opinion"....and ......"I know everyone doesn't believe this way"....

 

[literatim]

I like how Reagen put it:

"I notice as I look around this room, all the people here who support abortion were never themselves aborted."

“The real question today is not when human life begins, but, What is the value of human life? The abortionist who reassembles the arms and legs of a tiny baby to make sure all its parts have been torn from its mother's body can hardly doubt whether it is a human being. The real question for him and for all of us is whether that tiny human life has a God-given right to be protected by the law— the same right we have.” ~ Ronald Reagan – Abortion and the Conscience of the Nation ~

"I know this issue is very controversial. But unless and until it can be proven that an unborn child is not a human being, can we justify assuming without proof that it isn’t? No one has yet offered such proof; indeed, all the evidence is to the contrary. We should rise above bitterness and reproach, and if Americans could come together in a spirit of understanding and helping, then we could find positive solutions to the tragedy of abortion." ~ President Ronald Reagan, State of the Union Address - January 1984 ~

 

[hyoomen]

So do you advocate killing poor people?

Do you advocate preventing their death with extorted tax dollars?

Hopefully your the intent of your question was as rhetorical as is mine. I doubt anybody could successfully argue for 'population control' through murder or preventative life (sterilisation, abortion, etc) in comparison to somebody who simply addresses the need for an understanding of sustainable growth through increased education. We can all agree that there needs to be a reevaluation of life as extremely important and worth defending, that parenting/breeding is an EXTREMELY critical responsibility which needs careful consideration, and that if we were to ultimately focus on successful strategies for educating against the circumstances that lead to 'unwanted pregnancies' we could have a far greater impact than any law permitting or prohibiting abortion.

 

[mkrfctr]

I am one of those children you speak of. My mother was drinking, smoking, and doing drugs thru her pregnancy. She went to get me aborted at the 4 month point (I think) and they told her it was too late. She was horribly abusive, we were poor, but I am happy every day that she didn't do it. I bet 95+% of those children you speak of feel the exact same way. Being alive is the greatest thing in the world, no matter how crappy it is, imo

Nope, sorry, sounds like you should have been aborted. Didn't you see Butterfly Effect? Gosh. ... You're probably destroying the space time fabric or something.

 

[mongoose]

So do you advocate killing poor people?

No!..........but if a woman doesn't want to have a child because she doesn't think she can properly care for it then she should be able to make that decision at an EARLY stage. If she doesn't think she can feed and cloth her baby then chances are she won't be able to.

I can't imagine a more difficult decision to make, but if a woman comes that decision then there is a reason for it....she doesn't feel she can adequately care for her child.

With that being said I will be thinking about colecrow's post tonight and am seriously considering changing my stance on this. I haven't debated this issue much and haven't heard it explained to me so personally.

 

[AggieforPaul]

This is awesome news. I am going to tell this to every Christian friend I know, as well as outline Ron Paul's plans to end federal abortion allowances.

 

[Deborah K]

Nope, sorry, sounds like you should have been aborted. Didn't you see Butterfly Effect? Gosh. ... You're probably destroying the space time fabric or something.

What an idiotic thing to state. And you call yourself a Ron Paul supporter? yikes.

 

[colecrowe]

No!..........but if a woman doesn't want to have a child because she doesn't think she can properly care for it then she should be able to make that decision at an EARLY stage. If she doesn't think she can feed and cloth her baby then chances are she won't be able to.

I can't imagine a more difficult decision to make, but if a woman comes that decision then there is a reason for it....she doesn't feel she can adequately care for her child.

With that being said I will be thinking about colecrow's post tonight and am seriously considering changing my stance on this. I haven't debated this issue much and haven't heard it explained to me so personally.

BTW:

I believe abortion should be legal, even though I am very strongly against it morally. My reasoning is that if it is criminalized it would require the creation of what would have to be a gestapo-like abortion police force. And since abortions don't happen in public-like setting in the way that theft or murder usually do, it would require incredible levels of civil lberties violations to "win" the war on abortion. And then, like the war on drugs, it still wouldn't work. So I am against criminalizing it, but I am for federal, state, and local programs to discourage it with education and help and promoting adoption and birth control. And I will work with organizations that work for those things also.

 

[colecrowe]

What an idiotic thing to state. And you call yourself a Ron Paul supporter? yikes.

It was a joke. Not as clear as it could have been, but still I think 100% in jest.

 

[Deborah K]

It was a joke. Not as clear as it could have been, but still I think 100% in jest.

I hope so. Sure didn't come off that way.

 

[Fields]

This thread earns the reward...


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[smtwngrl]

Regardless of all of the negativity on this thread, I think this would be awesome!

The other Republican presidential candidates say they would like to overturn Roe vs. Wade. Well, it seems that "Jane Roe" would also like to see that, and she's endorsing Ron Paul. That seems like a powerful statement to me.

From David Freddoso of The Corner:

This just came in my e-mail...

WASHINGTON, DC – On Tuesday, January 22 – the 35th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision – Texas Congressman and Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul will hold a press conference with pro-life activist Norma Leah McCorvey. McCorvey, who runs Crossing over Ministry, is "Jane Roe" of the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision.

What/Who: Announcement by Norma McCorvey ("Jane Roe") and Congressman Ron Paul​

It takes place tomorrow at 10:30 am at the Phoenix Park Hotel on Capitol Hill. The campaign would not directly answer whether she's going to endorse Paul, but they sure hinted at it.​

Wow - if it happens, it might be REALLY BIG News!