Jack Hunter: RON PAUL IS BECOMING SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN PRESIDENT

[twomp]

At this juncture it's a brilliant move and strengthens him as a Presidential candidate for 2016.

So you are saying he will run against Mitt Romney in 2016? How certain are you that Obama will win? At least before Rand's announcement we could say that Romney wouldn't be getting the rEVOLution votes. Now there are people on these very forums who are saying they are now willing to vote for Romney because they "trust" Rand Paul.

Is it a brilliant move to help Romney win? Sorry I disagree. Give me 4 years of Obama over 8 years of Romney any day of the week. They are the same imo.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

It gains more. It enhances our influence on the floor if we are not perceived as a threat.

Constrast that with Ron Paul's speach at the Texas convention yesterday...see anything there?

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

before the convention? It loses him more than it gains.

The nomination is sown up. Ron has stated it, Rand has stated it, Jack Hunter has stated it. The campaign has been letting air out of the election balloon for weeks now, its obvious. They want to avoid a potentially embarrassing ruckus at the convention, which could severely damage all our accomplishments we've made over the last 15 months.

Time to let go and transition our focus to other winnable races. I don't want to see this forum go on crisis suicide watch come August because we get blindsided by reality.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Did anyone see Ron Paul's speach at the Texas convention? Really? Did he appear to be giviing anything up or complying with the will of the establishment?

 

[Ivash]

The thing is though that no one would blame Rand Paul for supporting Ron Paul until the end of his campaign. Rand would have been better off not supporting Romney until after his father drops out. He even looks like he is just being an opportunist, which won't go down very well with some of the higher-up Republicans. Not to mention that it alienates what should be his natural support base.

And this is coming from a person who doesn't think Ron Paul has a chance of winning the nomination, and is not a supporter of either Paul (and thus doesn't have any emotional connection to the issue)- this nomination of Romney was unnecessary and, to put it simply, bad politics.

 

[sailingaway]

The nomination is sown up. Ron has stated it, Rand has stated it, Jack Hunter has stated it. The campaign has been letting air out of the election balloon for weeks now, its obvious. They want to avoid a potentially embarrassing ruckus at the convention, which could severely damage all our accomplishments we've made over the last 15 months.

Time to let go and transition our focus to other winnable races. I don't want to see this forum go on crisis suicide watch come August because we get blindsided by reality.

Even if the GOP nomination proves not to be winnable, fighting for it, with Ron nominated into contention in Tampa is worth a whole lot more than Rand turning a lot of people against him by endorsing before convention. THAT is worth NOTHING.

 

[sailingaway]

Did anyone see Ron Paul's speach at the Texas convention? Really? Did he appear to be giviing anything up or complying with the will of the establishment?

I never saw less giving up.

 

[twomp]

Even if the GOP nomination proves not to be winnable, fighting for it, with Ron nominated into contention in Tampa is worth a whole lot more than Rand turning a lot of people against him by endorsing before convention. THAT is worth NOTHING.

It is worth nothing to us but it will work MIRACLES in the GOP propaganda machine. "The rEVOLution unites with Mitt Romney in the fight for liberty." It reeks of us being co-opted. The GOP is now united and here is Rand Paul to prove it. Excuse me while I puke for typing those words.

 

[Smitty]

There is nothing that will be accomplished with this tactic which will compensate for the damage to morale that it has done to the movement.

Ron Paul's candidacy should have been driven as hard as possible right up to the end,..win or lose,...and if the election was lost, continue driving even harder the minute the last vote is counted.

This is a major step back,...and I can't help but believe that Rand Paul's political viability took precedence over the health of the liberty movement.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

So you are saying he will run against Mitt Romney in 2016? How certain are you that Obama will win? At least before Rand's announcement we could say that Romney wouldn't be getting the rEVOLution votes. Now there are people on these very forums who are saying they are now willing to vote for Romney because they "trust" Rand Paul.

Is it a brilliant move to help Romney win? Sorry I disagree. Give me 4 years of Obama over 8 years of Romney any day of the week. They are the same imo.

I haven't looked at much data or voter focus groups concerning Romney vs. Obama because my focus has been on Paul and Massie. It really comes down to just a handful of states, and I think Obama has an easier path to victory in those battleground states. Will educated white voters back Obama as strongly this go around? Can Romney connect with republican blue-collar voters in the rust belt? Then you have the independent vote which was largely Obama's in 2008, how much does Romney siphon off? Those are vital questions to calling this election.

 

[TheGrinch]

It is worth nothing to us but it will work MIRACLES in the GOP propaganda machine. "The rEVOLution unites with Mitt Romney in the fight for liberty." It reeks of us being co-opted. The GOP is now united and here is Rand Paul to prove it. Excuse me while I puke for typing those words.

Who's to say they aren't ones getting co-opted (payback's a bitch for the way they took the tea party). If Rand endorses Romney, but contniuesto vote against and oppose the establsihemtn, then really, who's been co-opted? I'd say them...

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Even if the GOP nomination proves not to be winnable, fighting for it, with Ron nominated into contention in Tampa is worth a whole lot more than Rand turning a lot of people against him by endorsing before convention. THAT is worth NOTHING.

It will be an orchestrated coronation with everything primed and planned down to the drapes and lapel pins.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

There is nothing that will be accomplished with this tactic which will compensate for the damage to morale that it has done to the movement.

Ron Paul's candidacy should have been driven as hard as possible right up to the end,..win or lose,...and if the election was lost, continue driving even harder the minute the last vote is counted.

This is a major step back,...and I can't help but believe that Rand Paul's political viability took precedence over the health of the liberty movement.

And that is why you'll never be hired as a political campaign advisor or consultant.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

So, let me get this straight.

Putting out memos, just before primaries, that discourage supporters is good politics?
Backing an opponent whose policies are at odds with our principles just before the largest delegate convention is sound advice and good strategy?

What's going on here?

edit: (said by me in Ron's voice)

 

[Smitty]

And that is why you'll never be hired as a political campaign advisor or consultant.

Well,...maybe not,..but it works for AIPAC.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

The Libertarian Party is just simply pissed that in 4 years the Ron Paul movement has had more success than they've had in 30+ years. Well, get over it we are on the same team.

Back when I was an active LP member, they spent way too much time telling jokes. All of their press releases were more like infotainment and not serious, even when talking about very serious issues. It's no wonder they couldn't catch on. I have to say they did a good job with ballot access, though, which is tough.

5. Those who had their apathy cured will slide right back into it if Romney does not show any signs of carrying forward the liberty message.

Romney will be nothing but Bush IV and everyone is quite aware of that. Seriously... if anyone doesn't know that by now, they aren't paying attention and their apathy never ended.

But then what we need is more people awake. Ron does that better than anyone.

So far... we will have to see how Ron 2.0 goes.

So you are saying he will run against Mitt Romney in 2016? How certain are you that Obama will win? At least before Rand's announcement we could say that Romney wouldn't be getting the rEVOLution votes. Now there are people on these very forums who are saying they are now willing to vote for Romney because they "trust" Rand Paul.

Actually, I'm seeing a lot more people saying they won't vote for Rand. Nobody will vote for Romney based on anything Rand says.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

People, when it comes to hardcore Ron Paul support, they won't be swayed by anthing.
When it comes to "we can play their game and win" supporters, they are gonna do what they are gonna do.
When it comes to "SOFT" support, we just lost a shit load.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

Romney will be nothing but Bush IV and everyone is quite aware of that. Seriously... if anyone doesn't know that by now, they aren't paying attention and their apathy never ended.

What if people liked Bush?..

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

What if people liked Bush?..

Then I suppose they're getting the government they asked for and the government they deserve.

 

[sl7yz0r]

some of you people are ridiculous,
the goal is to take over the gop,
this can only be done incrementally,
we cannot acheive it without supporting the gop nominee
geeze