Jack Hunter: "On Glenn Beck and the Liberty Movement"

[Origanalist]

Beck is coming around because his listeners are no longer spending money and he thinks we just might.

I don't think that's true, I believe Mr. Beck is doing quite well.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I agree. The problem is when people such as Beck apply themselves as libertarians and skew the meaning of the word. Besides there is the point of his past actions of sinking liberty candidates for no reason at all. I'm all for people to begin researching and trying to understanding the libertarian position. The problem is Glenn Beck is probably going to sully the waters and twist the message before endorsing another corporate shill as always. I don't know. I hope he understands his mistakes and apologizes. He speaks of liberty and forgets Medina. He speaks of liberty and forgets Ron Paul. He speaks of foreign policy and bashes Ron Paul before adopting Paul's FP as his own. I don't trust the man as far as I could throw him. That being said I hope he is coming around to the message.

I agree with your entire post....Beck has no intention (IMO) of researching or trying to understand the libertarian position. Beck wants to define the libertarian position on his own terms....and THAT'S the problem.

 

[cajuncocoa]

That said, it doesn't hurt us for him to have Rand, Jack Hunter, Woods, Hornberger and others on his show, even if he does decide not to follow through come 2014 or 2016.

That depends on what he's going to say about them after the interview is over.

 

[LibertyEagle]

The only time I see you stick your head into threads anymore is to snipe at people from the sidelines. It's really not needed.

I think what I say is needed, which is why I say something.

 

[FrankRep]

Jack Hunter is neither a principled conservative, nor a libertarian..

What??? You can't be serious.

 

[Aratus]

is the mainstream of the GOP now less phobic about Dr. Rand Paul doing
a potus run in 2016 or 2020 & does Jack Hunter sense a shift in Glen Beck?

 

[juleswin]

I didnt even know Jack Hunter was a libertarian, for some reason I have always considered him a paleocon in the likes of Pat J Buchanan.

 

[Brett85]

I didnt even know Jack Hunter was a libertarian, for some reason I have always considered him a paleocon in the likes of Pat J Buchanan.

No, he's a libertarian. He supports gay marriage, opposes the war on drugs, opposes the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, etc. He's libertarian on every issue.

 

[compromise]

No, he's a libertarian. He supports gay marriage, opposes the war on drugs, opposes the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, etc. He's libertarian on every issue.

He's more a "constitutional conservative" type, he has some libertarian views and some conservative views. He's tough on immigration, he supports the Arizona law.
http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/...ck-hunter-on-fox-with-judge-andrew-napolitano

On other issues, like free trade, he's more of a mainstream conservative in that he supports free trade agreements, which paleocons and some hardcore libertarians do not support.

 

[anaconda]

he supports free trade agreements

Oh, dear. Isn't this 180 degrees from Ron Paul?

 

[compromise]

Oh, dear. Isn't this 180 degrees from Ron Paul?

Rand, Amash and Massie support them as well.

 

[anaconda]

Rand, Amash and Massie support them as well.

I did not know that. Why? Which agreements?

 

[FrankRep]

Rand, Amash and Massie support them as well.

I highly doubt that. Give proof please.

 

[LibertyEagle]

There is a difference between saying exposure is bad, and saying don't turn these guys who betrayed us skillfully before into perceived titans of OUR movement so they can mislead and betray in the future.

And there is a huge difference between some's apparent need to ordain a living god vs. leveraging someone like Beck and others to further our goals. Ron Paul didn't require Kucinich to agree with him on everything before he worked with him on issues they did agree on. Nor, did he try to make Kucinich his enemy, even though Kucinich disagreed with Ron on just about everything besides foreign policy.

People like Ron Paul don't come along every day, or even every lifetime. However, if we are secure in our beliefs and where we are trying to go, I don't see why it is so hard to utilize all kinds of people to get there. No one is suggesting that we have to love them, or even like them. To me, all that is necessary is to keep our eyes on the prize.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

I don't think that's true, I believe Mr. Beck is doing quite well.

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[compromise]

I highly doubt that. Give proof please.

Rand:
- Defended Free Trade Agreements during a FOX News interview, claiming they reduce the cost of goods in the US
- This site quotes Rand on the campaign trail - http://www.salon.com/2010/07/22/rand_paul_cut_farmer_money/ :

Instead, Paul said free trade would benefit farmers and jabbed at Conway. “I won’t be afraid to stand up to the unions who oppose” pending agreements with Colombia, Panama and South Korea, he said.

- Voted YEA on HR 3080, United States-Korea Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
- Voted YEA on HR 3079, United States-Panama Trade Promotion Agreement Implementation Act
- Voted YEA on HR 3078, United States-Columbia Trade Promotion Agreement Implementation Act

Amash:
- Voted YEA on HR 3080, United States-Korea Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act, his explanation was:

On average, Korea imposes tariffs twice as large on American goods and services as the United States imposes on Korean imports. This bill reduces that imbalance. Korea is a large and growing market, particularly for Michigan manufacturing.

- Voted YEA on HR 3079, United States-Panama Trade Promotion Agreement Implementation Act, his explanation was:

Industrial goods from the United States face an average 7% tariff when sold in Panama, while almost all similar goods from Panama are sold in the United States duty-free. Opening up foreign markets to U.S. goods and services can help our businesses expand and create jobs.

- Voted YEA on HR 3078, United States-Colombia Trade Promotion Agreement Implementation Act, his explanation was:

Like the other trade agreements in this vote series, the Colombia agreement reduces government interference in trade. The agreement does not move as quickly as I'd prefer, but it's a good first step. It will ensure that our producers have a level playing field when selling in Colombia while also giving Americans access to a greater variety of products and services.

Massie:
I can't really give you any proof for him, I asked him about free trade agreements and he said he supported them.

They have to vote for FTAs to get good scorecards from FreedomWorks and the Club for Growth.

 

[FrankRep]

Well shoot. Ron Paul needs to get on them about how bad so-called "free trade" agreements are. I thought Rand Paul was at least against NAFTA though.

 

[compromise]

Well shoot. Ron Paul needs to get on them about how bad so-called "free trade" agreements are. I thought Rand Paul was at least against NAFTA though.

He was against the proposed superhighway, but not the FTA itself.

Tbh though, FTAs, while not perfect, are better than high tariffs.

 

[sailingaway]

Rand:
- Defended Free Trade Agreements during a FOX News interview, claiming they reduce the cost of goods in the US
- This site quotes Rand on the campaign trail - http://www.salon.com/2010/07/22/rand_paul_cut_farmer_money/ :

- Voted YEA on HR 3080, United States-Korea Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act
- Voted YEA on HR 3079, United States-Panama Trade Promotion Agreement Implementation Act
- Voted YEA on HR 3078, United States-Columbia Trade Promotion Agreement Implementation Act

Amash:
- Voted YEA on HR 3080, United States-Korea Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act, his explanation was:

- Voted YEA on HR 3079, United States-Panama Trade Promotion Agreement Implementation Act, his explanation was:

- Voted YEA on HR 3078, United States-Colombia Trade Promotion Agreement Implementation Act, his explanation was:


Massie:
I can't really give you any proof for him, I asked him about free trade agreements and he said he supported them.

They have to vote for FTAs to get good scorecards from FreedomWorks and the Club for Growth.

I disagree at LEAST on Korea, and agree with Ron. unilateral agreements aren't as bad as the others for sovereignty, but managed trade takes it FURTHER from the individual than even federally managed when it goes international. That is the absolute wrong way to go. It removes the benefit of trade from individual citizens of all countries so you have to be 'politically connected' to benefit, and undermines sovereignty in 'dispute resolutions'.

The corporatist element of Club for Growth that pushes for this led Ron to get a lower vote than Bachmann from Club for Growth. It baffles me how some can call them 'liberty oriented' when her votes for NDAA and the Patriot Act didn't phase them but Ron's absolutely correct opposition to internationally managed trade was a big sticking point for them.