IVANA TRUMP BLASTS BERNIE AS BIG COMMIE

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

"Sanders, of course, is mistaken on the fundamentals. Economic growth is not a goal for the sake of itself—economic growth ignited by the freeing of markets has lifted more people out of poverty in the last century than any other force in history. Choices in the market contribute that improvement of the human condition—not just because 23 choices of deodorant mean more jobs than one choice of deodorant but because in a very real sense more choices mean more wealth. Bernie Sanders and those attracted to his economically illiterate, anti-capitalist rhetoric live in a world where working conditions haven't changed since the 19th century, where the United States is perpetually one tax or spending cut away from collapsing into Mad Max style chaos."

 

[Rad]

This forum isn't for discussion if communist is better. It's already a libertarian forum.

If you want to support communism, socialism, or marxism, you need somewhere else to go.

We live under a form of collectivism. We are a mixed economy. We have been fabian socialized. We have strayed far from liberalism and former communist control the Republican party. The difference between communism and corporatism is whose on top, neither is liberal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

My point is if you wanted to talk about Bernie's Mensheviks then you'd have better luck without the Trump bait unless you are just trolling the forum.

This is a current news item sub forum. I posted a current news item about it. The main thrust isn't about Trump, it's about Sanders.

Ivana Trump has actually lived in a communist country, unlike the 40% of idiots supporting sanders who take America's freedom for granted, and have not.

In 1989 Sanders addressed the national conference of the U.S. Peace Council, a Communist Party USA front group. The event focused on how to “end the Cold War” and “fund human needs.” Fellow speakers included radicals such as Leslie Cagan and U.S. Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.)

Interacting with the CPUSA was a dangerous thing. During the Cold War, CPUSA members swore an oath "to the Soviet Union, to a 'Soviet America,' and to the 'triumph of Soviet power in the United States," according to Professor Paul Kengor.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

We live under a form of collectivism. We are a mixed economy. We have been fabian socialized. We have strayed far from liberalism and former communist control the Republican party. The difference between communism and corporatism is whose on top, neither is liberal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society

Not for long. If Sanders wins, we will live under a full blown communist dictatorship which Obama started.

Oddly enough, I think the Clintons want to start a monarchy. We're pretty close to hereditary decent if Hillary wins. If she got ill, Bill could use it as an excuse to be president again, instead of letting the vp step in. Nothing could stop him - and then we'd have a monarchy again.

 

[Rad]

This is a current news item sub forum. I posted a current news item about it. The main thrust isn't about Trump, it's about Sanders.

Ivana Trump has actually lived in a communist country, unlike the 40% of idiots supporting sanders who take America's freedom for granted, and have not.

The Sanders wolf is less threatening than the Hillary wolf in my opinion. It doesn't matter if Ivana lived in a communist country. She is a Trump. That is all that the forum sees. They think Trump is under their bed. I voted for Paul the lesser.

 

[Rad]

Not for long. If Sanders wins, we will live under a full blown communist dictatorship which Obama started.

Oddly enough, I think the Clintons want to start a monarchy. We're pretty close to hereditary decent if Hillary wins. If she got ill, Bill could use it as an excuse to be president again, instead of the vp. Nothing could stop him - and then we'd have a monarchy again.

What we are experiencing now is Bill's legacy. How about military coup? JFK was killed wouldn't the monied interest take Bernie out? I read once that Obama didn't go through his plans because he saw what happened to Martin Luther King. Why would Bernie not love his own skin too?

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

The Sanders wolf is less threatening than the Hillary wolf in my opinion. It doesn't matter if Ivana lived in a communist country. She is a Trump. That is all that the forum sees. They think Trump is under their bed. I voted for Paul the lesser.

Hardly. Sanders has the actual communists backing him - based on extensively working with them. He's the scariest candidate - and no longer funny bernie with a chance of sneaking in. His backing is outside this country. He's a communist. Joined the organization that swore the oath, flew the communist flag. (proved above).

The Clintons are traitors and want to start a monarchy. I'm sure they have marxist ties too, but they're more beholden to themselves. They also have the power and backing to do it if in position.

The neocons want business as usual. It's not good business, but it's exactly what we have.

Cruz would like to be a christian dictator. He doesn't have the power to do so, but that's his nature. benevolent dictator at best. Based entirely on his anointing to "be a king to bring the wealth to priests" - perhaps he doesn't really believe what that implies?

Kusich is a liberal moderate - I believe anyway. More of the same.

Trump is a successful businessman. How he'd be, no one knows (and why everyone part of the above hates him).

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

What we are experiencing now is Bill's legacy. How about military coup? JFK was killed wouldn't the monied interest take Bernie out? I read once that Obama didn't go through his plans because he saw what happened to Martin Luther King. Why would Bernie not love his own skin too?

Who wins and who they pick as vp is going to be intersting no matter who wins, and for both parties. Either the system is falling apart, or something worse is happening.

 

[Rad]

Hardly. Sanders has the actual communists backing him - based on extensively working with them. He's the scariest candidate - and no longer funny bernie with a chance of sneaking in. His backing is outside this country. He's a communist. Joined the organization that swore the oath, flew the flag communist.

The Clintons are traitors and want to start a monarchy. I'm sure they have marxist ties to, but their more beholden to themselves. They also have the power and backing to do it if in position.

The neocons want business as usual. It's not good business, but it's exactly what we have.

Cruz would like to be a christian dictator. He doesn't have the power to do so, but that's his nature. benevolent dictator at best.

Kusich is a liberal moderate - I believe anyway. More of the same.

Trump is a successful businessman. How he'd be, no one knows (and why everyone part of the above hates him).

Trump performed fellatio on AIPAC. Bernie sucks but he didn't suck that hard. Why would our deep state allow a dictator/monarchy when the facade of democracy works so well for them? We don't have good choices. Empire is what is going to kill this country. Bernie is a symptom of the disease not the disease itself.

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Why would Bernie not love his own skin too?

Because Sanders thinks women's cervical cancer is caused by not having enougth orgasims.

No telling what he'd do.

 

[Rad]

Because Sanders thinks women's cervical cancer is caused by not having enougth orgasims.

No telling what he'd do.

Well, I am in favor of women having more orgasms! Now I just need to find cute Bernie supporters to protect from cervical cancer and later convert them to classical liberalism

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Trump performed fellatio on AIPAC. Bernie sucks but he didn't suck that hard.

Sanders doesn't have to suck, he's already jewish (as were a lot of the members of the original communist party).

Bernard Sanders was born on September 8, 1941, in Brooklyn, one of New York City's five boroughs.[3][4][5][6] His father, Elias Sanders, was born in Słopnice, Poland (then in the Austro-Hungarian province of Galicia),[7][8] on September 14, 1904[9] to a Jewish family; in 1921 he immigrated to the United States at the age of 17.[7][10][11] His mother, Dorothy Sanders (née Glassberg), was born in New York City on October 2, 1912,[12][13] to Jewish immigrant parents from Poland and Russia.[14][15] Many of Elias's relatives who remained in Poland were killed in the Holocaust.[13][16][17]

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Well, I am in favor of women having more orgasms! Now I just need to find cute Bernie supporters to protect from cervical cancer and later convert them to classical liberalism

This is better then the previous ending note on who sucks worse.

 

[Rad]

Sanders doesn't have to suck, he's already jewish (as were a lot of the members of the original communist party).

I know he is Jewish. He also is terrible on Israel but compared to the others he's the lesser evil on the issue. The US has been ruled by Neocon sock puppets and the Neocons are communist. I don't see Bernie being any worse than them. I'm not arguing that he is good or that I will vote for him. I am just saying that unless military coup, a third party win, or someone JFK's them all, we are screwed.

 

[Rad]

Can we stop with the Trump and the lesser evil stuff and just talk about what kind of communist country Bernie would like to live in? Goodnight!

 

[Gent]

Socialism is determining how to spend your economic resources wisely by somebody else who is just as human as you are, but apparently has a greater sense of fairness. It is all about fairness.

Bernie is funny that way. It's just fairness, and democratic socialism is somehow not as bad as socialism. Communism also apparently has absolutely no relation to socialism. National socialism apparently has no relation to communism. They just all share a need for one to control another, to be fair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIXyBr3-af0&feature=youtu.be

 

[nikcers]

I'll leave this qute for you then, Mr starts threads about big government liberals and then mouths off at people for exposing their hypocrisy bias, and doublethink.

this is a libertarian forum.

 

[jmdrake]

False dichotomy. There are many sides - not just two.

I see you one cliche' 1970s pop song with another. "There ain't no good guys...there ain't no bad guys....there's only you and me and we just disagree..."



Here's the deal. The difference between socialism and communism is one of tactics. A socialist like Sanders can admire what a Daniel Ortega does economically without endorsing his tactics just like many libertarians can admire what an Augusto Pinochet did economically without endorsing his tactics. Ortega and Pinochet both suppressed liberty and grossly violated human rights. But one did it in the name of the "free market" and the other did it in the name of "social justice." Same crap, different economic models.

As for the support of Ortega from the Nicaraguan people, don't forget that after communism "fell" in Nicaragua, Ortega eventually won the "free and fair" elections. In fact, Ortega is the democratically elected president of Nicaragua right now.

This "OMG! Sanders is really a commie and will kill millions of people as did Stalin and Mao" hyperbole will not defeat Sanders because most voters will see right through it. The key to defeating Sanders is helping people see that the European style socialism that they think they want isn't really what it's cracked up to be. Just look at countries like Greece that seem poised to bring down the entire European Union through stupid socialist economic policies.

This whole "We've got to stop Bernie Sanders because OMG he's socialist" rings hollow considering republican hypocrisy on social security. Bernie Sanders' "big idea" is single payer healthcare. But social security is a single payer pension plan. When Rand Paul suggested means testing social security a lot of republicans were like "OMG! That makes it a welfare program!" Well duh! That's better than it being a socialist program that everybody has to participate in. Means test it so it won't cost so freaking much.

 

[acptulsa]

I'm not a trump supporter. Way to steer discussion away from Sanders being a communist.

What's the second word in the title of this thread, spammer?

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

What's the second word in the title of this thread, spammer?

Her last name. A <> B.