Gary Johnson It's time to throw our full weight behind Gary Johnson.

[GeorgiaAvenger]

I do like Gary Johnson and I think I will vote for him, my point was that we don't need to waste resources on him.

 

[jay_dub]

I have a differing opinion. We can just leave it at that.

 

[BenIsForRon]

I do like Gary Johnson and I think I will vote for him, my point was that we don't need to waste resources on him.

I think people that can afford to donate money should. And people that have time to donate should. I would totally phone from home for Johnson. Also, I think it's time for people to start pushing him on facebook and places like that. Everybody with stuff about Ron Paul on their wall should post some Johnson stuff too. C4L groups should start promoting him at local events, likewise with YAL.

 

[cheapseats]

I do like Gary Johnson and I think I will vote for him, my point was that we don't need to waste resources on him.

INTERNET INTEREST would help drive the percent required to be in the debates, without any donations. Granted, generating internet interest DOES take some time...but we ARE talking about people who spend quite a lot of time online ANYWAY, no small part of it "discussing" crapola.

I quote Rand Paul: "My dad has a legion of young followers who are on the Internet, and they think they rule the Internet," Paul told Fox News host Sean Hannity. "Maybe they do and maybe they don't."

TOO, there is a big difference between NOT HELPING and UNDERMINING. Some-not-to-say-all of the resistance has been irrationally resentful...emotions on sleeves ILLOGIC.

To those who feel I am undermining the Stealth Delegate Strategery, three things:

1.) I argued and argued for Ron Paul to run Third Party, right up the Libertarian Party nominating convention. But I did that IN THE BEGINNING, and then not again until he was losing badly in the Republican primary.

2.) Ron Paul's presidential bid is effectively over.

3.) That is not Gary Johnson's fault.

 

[sailingaway]

RON PAUL'S SON RAND ENDORSED OPPOSING CANDIDATE MITT ROMNEY, AND EXPRESSED INTENT TO CAMPAIGN FOR HIM.

No, it is not premature.





No, it can't.

then do it on the Gary Johnson forums.

 

[kuckfeynes]

I'd rather be counted with the jaded majority where anarcho's like me belong.

If I can't have Ron Paul, I'd rather donate to a media campaign convincing people to abstain.

I could think of nothing better to blow the lid of the farce that is democracy than a historically low voter turnout.

 

[BenIsForRon]

Mods, can you move this back to Hot Topics? I think threads actually have greater visibility amongst forum members there.

Ha! I wonder if I've created the first thread to ever be moved out of hot topics...

 

[matt0611]

I don't think Gary represents a principled libertarian standpoint.

Me neither. He won't be getting my support. Though I think he would be better than Romney or Obama, I just can't vote for him.

I'll either write-in Ron Paul or just leave that part blank.

 

[Respect38]

Waiting till Tampa is dangerous, because the choice for who goes to the debates is made not very long after that occurs.

We need to make this decision NOW, so we can either wait for the longshot chance to see if Paul can pull of a world-record upset, or begin the campaign for the Libertarian Party right now.

And, what's to say we cannot do both? One thing I heard someone say that I did not realize is, making some noise with Gary Johnson BEFORE Tampa will give us some leeway in Tampa. Basically, it would say, "hey, y'know, we can always just vote for Gary Johnson this year...". Now, what we could do with this leeway, I cannot say, but it sounds like some powerful bargaining power to me.

And not voting at all is NOT the solution. Low voter turnout is not really something that the media would have to mention. A powerful Libertarian Party turnout, however, would be broadcasted to every American keeping up with the election.

 

[cheapseats]

I'd rather be counted with the jaded majority where anarcho's like me belong.

If I can't have Ron Paul, I'd rather donate to a media campaign convincing people to abstain.

I could think of nothing better to blow the lid of the farce that is democracy than a historically low voter turnout.

You think that would blow the lid off the farce? People don't even care about ELECTION FRAUD, as you have been witnessing.

 

[W_BRANDON]

This would play right into GJ's strategy. This is what GJ banked on, for Ron Paul supporters to climb aboard once the RP ship goes down. I didn't like his [GJ] motives then and will not participate in helping this plan come to fruition. If GJ really cared about this movement, he would have locked arms with all of us, including RP, from the get-go. If I would have seen him as an ally and partner this whole time and not as a competitor, I would have no problems supporting him after Ron Paul officially drops out.

 

[BenIsForRon]

Jeez, some of you are crazy. You're never going to get 100% agreement with everybody. I'll say it again: Gary Johnson was a great conservative Governor. Probably better than any in the past half century.

 

[BenIsForRon]

If GJ really cared about this movement, he would have locked arms with all of us, including RP, from the get-go.

Gary endorsed Ron after he dropped out last year. What more do you want from him?

 

[W_BRANDON]

Gary endorsed Ron after he dropped out last year. What more do you want from him?

How can you endorse someone while you are competing for the same job? I know GJ said out of one side of his mouth, if RP wins the nomination, i'll support him; but out of the other he would misrepresent Paul's positions on many things. He tried to play both sides of this and I hope he gets burned for it.

 

[cheapseats]

Gary endorsed Ron after he dropped out last year. What more do you want from him?

They want everyone to put their lives on hold while the Republican wing of the Liberty Moovement runs out the clock completely out on a Miracle.

RAND PAUL does not have to be circumspect until August, just the mundane Non Republican Freedom Fighters.

 

[W_BRANDON]

They want everyone else to put their lives on hold while the Republican wing of Ron Paul support runs out the clock completely out on a Miracle.

Are you implying Gary Johnson's prospect is less of a "Miracle?"

 

[cheapseats]

Are you implying Gary Johnson's prospect is less of a "Miracle?"

Dude, Mitt Romney HAS the necessary Delegates.

It will take a MIRACLE for Ron Paul to win the Republican nomination.

Gary Johnson HAS the Libertarian nomination (that Ron Paul did not want). Gary Johnson WILL be on the November ballot.

 

[W_BRANDON]

Dude, Mitt Romney HAS the necessary Delegates.

It will take a MIRACLE for Ron Paul to win the Republican nomination.

Gary Johnson WILL be on the November ballot.

Ron Paul could have made a move to run third party but someone got there a little earlier than he could.

 

[cheapseats]

Ron Paul could have made a move to run third party but someone got there a little earlier than he could.

It is obvious that you are upset. However, YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP.

Arguments for Ron Paul to jump the unworthy Republican ship were conscientiously relegated to Hot Topics and obscurity, until it was too late. That happens. Most options don't just sit there, remaining open.

Ron Paul REPEATEDLY, SUSTAINEDLY, AGAIN & AGAIN declined to run Third Party. Re-MEM-ber how those Mainstream Media Meanies kept asking him that, and he kept ruling it out without COMPLETELY ruling it out. "It would take some kind of miracle..."

UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE. The Libertarian Party convention was in early May.

Hell, Ron Paul could ALSO have snagged the Americans Elect nomination. Both were there for the taking. HE DID NOT WANT THEM.

 

[W_BRANDON]

It is obvious that you are upset. However, YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP.

Arguments for Ron Paul to jump the unworthy Republican ship were conscientiously relegated to Hot Topics and obscurity, until it was too late. That happens. Most options don't just sit there, remaining open.

Ron Paul REPEATEDLY, SUSTAINEDLY, AGAIN & AGAIN declined to run Third Party. Re-MEM-ber how those Mainstream Media Meanies kept asking him that, and he kept ruling it out without COMPLETELY ruling it out. "It would take some kind of miracle..."

UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE. The Libertarian Party convention was in early May.

Hell, Ron Paul could ALSO have snagged the Americans Elect nomination. Both were there for the taking. HE DID NOT WANT THEM.

It was a catch 22.
Ron Paul could not say he was considering running 3rd party else he would have been castigated by the party and viewed as a spoiler and not a serious contender. Ergo he kept saying he had no intentions on running 3rd party in order to have the best chance of winning the GOP nomination. Also, it would have been ridiculous to drop out of the GOP nom race in May to pursue 3rd party avenues.

I just don't think GJ is a very good guy. 'Nough said!