Gary Johnson It's time to throw our full weight behind Gary Johnson.

[mczerone]

Federal elections are exciting, but essentially a fool's errand. Elect from local upwards, skipping the local work to try to elect a president instead is a mistake.

Ron paul's campaign was good because it woke people up, but now that we're awake we need to do something useful. Pushing GJ is not useful.

Agreed - find your local Libertarian and liberty-Republican candidates, support them, volunteer for them and push for the most marginal change that you can at a time.

I'm going to vote in November, but my presidential ballot is still up in the air. Johnson can earn it, but he doesn't have it yet.

 

[BenIsForRon]

Ok, cheapseats, W_BRANDON's clearly not on board. No need to argue with him any more.

 

[matt0611]

Jeez, some of you are crazy. You're never going to get 100% agreement with everybody. I'll say it again: Gary Johnson was a great conservative Governor. Probably better than any in the past half century.

Oh I think Gary was a decent Governor, and I'd vote for him to be my state's governor or even a Senator. But for President I hold to a much higher standard.

Gary is close, but not close enough for me.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

You made it clear you didn't like Johnson for false reasons you fabricated a while ago. You even went so far as to say GJ raised taxes....you're a bias moderator that can't do research?

You don't have to like him, but at least try to act like you're impartial.

then do it on the Gary Johnson forums.

 

[Cleaner44]

It is important that romney lose, so pushing johnson is in fact useful to us.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

I don't see why we can't support local liberty candidates and GJ. Just remember this, Ron really asked for GJ's endorsement in 08.

And, still, I don't see what people have against GJ here. Never raised taxes, vetoed many things, maintained budget surpluses.... why dislike him? Because he's not a moral philosopher like Ron?

This is getting a bit ridiculous. The guy is probably the most liberty minded individual in a position of acting authority this country may have ever had. Show me one person that vetoed as much as him. Gary Johnson is one person you can look at and say "This guy was an acting governor with an opposing legislature and he didn't fuck things up. He actually made the right call on 99% of all decisions."

Agreed - find your local Libertarian and liberty-Republican candidates, support them, volunteer for them and push for the most marginal change that you can at a time.

I'm going to vote in November, but my presidential ballot is still up in the air. Johnson can earn it, but he doesn't have it yet.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Anyway, I think we should implore some of the PACs to start pushing GJ. If we can get some well placed ads (and better made ads then he currently has...) we should certainly be able to get him to the 15% threshold.

If we can get a 3p candidate into the debates, we could change the face of politics. This could be the time where it really sticks...the tide is right.

 

[matt0611]

I don't see why we can't support local liberty candidates and GJ. Just remember this, Ron really asked for GJ's endorsement in 08.

And, still, I don't see what people have against GJ here. Never raised taxes, vetoed many things, maintained budget surpluses.... why dislike him? Because he's not a moral philosopher like Ron?

This is getting a bit ridiculous. The guy is probably the most liberty minded individual in a position of acting authority this country may have ever had. Show me one person that vetoed as much as him. Gary Johnson is one person you can look at and say "This guy was an acting governor with an opposing legislature and he didn't fuck things up. He actually made the right call on 99% of all decisions."

Its not just that, its that I don't see him talk about the Constitution, at all really. I want a President that will try as hard as he can to stick to it 100%.

At a state level, its different because there is more leeway and its much smaller. I'll take another look at Gary before I vote but he doesn't seem to understand liberty or the Constitution like Ron or even someone like Justin Amash.

 

[LibertyRevolution]

Johnson>Romney=Obama

So why not vote for Johnson? It does nothing but HELP the cause of liberty.
Vote for Johnson, he aint gonna win anyways, and if we can get 15%, then the LP gets into the debates next time!
Think of it as a vote for a 3 party system, not a vote for the man himself.

Then in 2016 we run like a Paul type person on the LP ticket, and we are in the debates.
Oh, and over in the LP, you don't have to take over..Your in agreement with the core philosophy.
They mostly think like you do..limited government, sound money, protection of rights, freedom..

 

[TheTexan]

Johnson>Romney=Obama

So why not vote for Johnson? It does nothing but HELP the cause of liberty.

Cast that ballot for GJ if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy, but your vote counts for precisely zero unless you donate a good chunk of either your time or money to GJ, which I don't see very many people willing to do

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Ugh, it is discomforting to see how many morons are willing to sell our budding freedom movement out to an intellectual lightweight with no idea of liberty beyond that of which corporate thinktanks have instilled upon him. If Gary Johnson gets enough voters to get himself into the national spotlight, he will ruin our movement forever.

 

[TheTexan]

Ugh, it is discomforting to see how many morons are willing to sell our budding freedom movement out to an intellectual lightweight with no idea of liberty beyond that of which corporate thinktanks have instilled upon him. If Gary Johnson gets enough voters to get himself into the national spotlight, he will ruin our movement forever.

Yep, just as Santorum is a fake conservative, Johnson is a fake libertarian.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Yep, just as Santorum is a fake conservative, Johnson is a fake libertarian.

We gotta let this pissant Johnson die like Bob Barr did and let the Libertarian Party die with it. Rand, with his sell-out, is still a better person to rally behind than the Libertarian Party IMO. At least as a senator, he can get things done. With Johnson as the leader of our movement, we will easily be marginalized and destroyed because he is such an easily swayed dope.

 

[Indy Vidual]

...
If we can get a 3p candidate into the debates, we could change the face of politics. This could be the time where it really sticks...the tide is right.

+1776
Let's get him in the debates.

 

[Indy Vidual]

Yep, just as Santorum is a fake conservative, Johnson is a fake libertarian.

Apples and Oranges.
RS is a Theo-Nazi,
Scary Johnson is a small-l libertarian.

Being in the debates would be great, and he's much better than Bob Barr.

 

[cheapseats]

Rand, with his sell-out, is still a better person to rally behind than the Libertarian Party IMO.

I have CONTEMPT for you.

We are clearly NOT on the same "side", you and I.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

I have CONTEMPT for you.

Well, it's a good thing I don't give a shit about what your opinion is. Go support the LP that promoted Bob Barr as their front man four years ago and now promotes an intellectual lightweight who sucks from the beltway CATO/Reason teat. Have fun doing a disservice to liberty.

We are clearly NOT on the same "side", you and I.

Yep, I am on the side of liberty while you are on the side of the overly-emotional, easily swayed morons who will hand our budding movement on a silver platter to people like Gary Johnson who don't know the first thing about libertarianism.

 

[cheapseats]

Have fun doing a disservice to liberty.

I quote you: "Rand, with his sell-out, is still a better person to rally behind than the Libertarian Party IMO."


We're not talking about rallying around the LIBERTARIAN PARTY, the way Republicans are harping about rallying around the REPUBLICAN PARTY. We're talking about ONE Libertarian candidacy, when Ron Paul's OWN SON says Ron Paul will NOT win the Republican nomination.

Gary Johnson WILL be on the November ballot and Ron Paul will NOT. Neither will your homie Rand.

It's Obama, Romney or Johnson. Speaking of "disservice to Liberty", I exaggerate not when I say I realize that you are NOT an ally. I WANT people like you to stay in the Republican Party. People like you make the GLARING NEED of a third party that much more glaring.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

No... not until the convention is over and the smoke has cleared. Why abandon this now when our fate is 2 months away?

It is not time. The time is when it is Obama vs Romney and we are out to prevent that from happening. We hope it'll be Ron vs Obama.

Now.. I hope Libertarians, Green, Constitutional party would rally around Ron if he got the nomination... because Ron is like them. Ron has been belittled and ignored. Ron winning as a GOP means third party can win in the future.

But yeah.. wrong time.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

It's Obama, Romney or Johnson. Speaking of "disservice to Liberty", I exaggerate not when I say I realize that you are NOT an ally. I WANT people like you to stay in the Republican Party. People like you make the GLARING NEED of a third party that much more glaring.

Since you are probably totally ignorant, I must inform you that there will be other candidates besides the three you listed. Since you are so ignorant as to think there will be only three candidates on the ballot, I don't look down on you. I just pity you. I pity you for wanting to support an intellectual lightweight such as Gary Johnson. If he gets a decent percentage of the vote, the freedom movement is ruined forever. You are probably not bright enough to understand this so I am very happy to explain it to you. Gary Johnson is a tool of the Beltway 'libertarians' to draw support away from Ron Paul's legitimate freedom movement. They put him in the Republican race, and they had him release statements badmouthing Ron Paul to try and take his support. Now, people like you are willing to support Gary Johnson. That makes you very pathetic. Please try to become a more informed, intelligent advocate of liberty otherwise you will just continue to be a disgrace.