It's time for Rand Paul to unleash Ron Paul

devil21 · Dec 2, 2015

I hope Ron gets involved in caucus states, particularly Iowa. If Rand's efforts to get young people to caucus are serious then Ron would be a great catalyst for bringing out past supporters that can coach the new blood at the caucuses.

nasaal · Dec 2, 2015

Anti-Neocon said:
No it's time for Rand Paul to BE Ron Paul and say loud and clear how the other candidates' policies are failures. Trump did it authoritatively with regards to the Iraq War. He has to show "Rand Paul Was Right (and the John Fay Intiative psychopaths advising the other non-Trump candidates were wrong)". By not challenging the neocon narrative strongly enough, it actually starts to seem legitimate to low intelligence voters. Neocons want you to smoke more cigarettes when you have lung cancer, by doing more of the same of what actually caused the problem.

He can't BE Ron Paul. He ISN'T Ron Paul.

klamath · Dec 2, 2015

twomp said:
The money bombs for Rand Paul disagrees with your statement. Where are the signs over freeway passes? Where are the internet polls wins that we used to dominate? The lack of enthusiasm isn't just on the internet. It's lacking in all of the grassroots. Despite what Matt Collins thinks, he won't garner any more support by pandering to the idiot neo-con voters. Bending your principles does not inspire people. Well, maybe people like Matt Collins who think they are political gurus. People don't stand on bridges waving your signs when you act that way.

If things continue the way they do now, come May or June, we will see Rand Paul campaigning for Trump, Cruz, Rubio, or Bush. Because Rand Paul plays along to get along.

Do you honestly believe there would be the same enthusiasm now for Ron after three dismal electoral failures? His great marvel of a campaign lost his own congressional district be 4 to 1.

LibertyEagle · Dec 2, 2015

klamath said:
Do you honestly believe there would be the same enthusiasm now for Ron after three dismal electoral failures? His great marvel of a campaign lost his own congressional district be 4 to 1.

The people who loved him as their Congressman, did not think he would be a good President. That's not his campaign's fault.

Matt Collins · Dec 2, 2015

DFF said:
It's too late. From the outset of his campaign Rand should have channeled the old man.

But he tried to be more "mainstream" thinking this would attract some of the dumbass neocon voters.

However the strategy totally backfired, and only thing he achieved was disappointing libertarians who were hoping for a young Ron Paul to rally behind.

This shows that you not only know nothing about how to win an election, but you also know nothing about Rand's strategy.

klamath · Dec 2, 2015

LibertyEagle said:
The people who loved him as their Congressman, did not think he would be a good President. That's not his campaign's fault.

The campaign's job is to sell the man to the voters for the job he is running for. The theme of this thread is Ron and his campaign were world masters at this. Wrong.

jllundqu · Dec 2, 2015

klamath said:
People around here just CAN'T get the concept about THIS. This is NOT 2007 where quite a number of republicans were getting tried of war or 2012 where they were really getting tired of war, this is 2015 and they want to go kick ISIS ass. ISIS destroyed Rand, plain and simple. Look at the Fucking numbers! Terrorism/national security have 3.5 times as many people concerned than immigration that the Trump followers claim is killing Rand. Ron would do horrible in this electorate.

100% disagree...

Ron would thrive. People are hungry for someone to tell them the REASON the middle east is so fucked up. People are hungry for ANYONE to tell them... Ron was on stage with neocon warhawks and Ron was overwhelmingly supported by active duty and retired military veterans. Ron's message was truth... period. My single biggest issue for any candidate is peace. Ron understood and explained the geopolitics as well as the CONSTITUTIONAL path forward. If Ron were running, he'd be doing one hell of a lot better than Rand...

Sad truth.

twomp · Dec 2, 2015

klamath said:
The campaign's job is to sell the man to the voters for the job he is running for. The theme of this thread is Ron and his campaign were world masters at this. Wrong.

Ron Paul did a hell of a lot better than Rand Paul is doing. Ron Paul built an infrastructure for Rand Paul and he is floundering. Take your head out of the sand.

DFF · Dec 2, 2015

Matt Collins said:
This shows that you not only know nothing about how to win an election, but you also know nothing about Rand's strategy.

My speculation probably isn't too far off, but whatever his real strategy was it obviously didn't work, because he's currently at 2% nationally.

Even Ron's worst polls were leagues better. And with only two months till the primaries there's simply no turning this thing around this point.

Better to go ahead and drop out and focus on getting reelected in the Senate then in 2020 come back with a better strategy

twomp · Dec 2, 2015

Matt Collins said:
This shows that you not only know nothing about how to win an election, but you also know nothing about Rand's strategy.

This shows you know nothing in general. How is Rand Paul doing in the polls by the way?

klamath · Dec 2, 2015

twomp said:
Ron Paul did a hell of a lot better than Rand Paul is doing. Ron Paul built an infrastructure for Rand Paul and he is floundering. Take your head out of the sand.

Pull your head out. When Ron ran in 07 12 the news wasn't plastered with images of children being executed and mass terrorist attacks. Even Rand's anti NSA is unpopular now. There wasn't a established ISIL country drawn on maps. Read the freaking poll numbers on what the republican electorate find important now. TERRORISM/NATIONAL SECURITY is 2.5 to 3.5 times the next highest issue.

klamath · Dec 2, 2015

jllundqu said:
100% disagree...

Ron would thrive. People are hungry for someone to tell them the REASON the middle east is so fucked up. People are hungry for ANYONE to tell them... Ron was on stage with neocon warhawks and Ron was overwhelmingly supported by active duty and retired military veterans. Ron's message was truth... period. My single biggest issue for any candidate is peace. Ron understood and explained the geopolitics as well as the CONSTITUTIONAL path forward. If Ron were running, he'd be doing one hell of a lot better than Rand...

Sad truth.

Rand has said this at the debates and his numbers drop. The guy that says he will "bomb the hell out of them" is leading by double digits. Even on the democratic side the perceived dove Sanders is being tromped by warhawk Hillary.

DFF · Dec 2, 2015

twomp said:
This shows you know nothing in general. How is Rand Paul doing in the polls by the way?

Although better than Rand, Ron didn't do great in the polls either but where he succeeded wildly was getting out the message of Constitutional government and generating real enthusiasm for Libertarian ideas.

Rand however has failed in both categories. His poll numbers are on life support and there wasn't enough energy coming from his campaign for Ron Paul supporters to get really excited about.

PierzStyx · Dec 2, 2015

klamath said:
The campaign's job is to sell the man to the voters for the job he is running for. The theme of this thread is Ron and his campaign were world masters at this. Wrong.

Too bad I'm not buying what Rand is selling.

jllundqu · Dec 2, 2015

klamath said:
Rand has said this at the debates and his numbers drop. The guy that says he will "bomb the hell out of them" is leading by double digits. Even on the democratic side the perceived dove Sanders is being tromped by warhawk Hillary.

It's because Rand is doing a weak half-assed anti-war stance and people don't jive with that. Ron would (and did) explain and energize an anti-war revolution.

klamath · Dec 2, 2015

jllundqu said:
It's because Rand is doing a weak half-assed anti-war stance and people don't jive with that. Ron would (and did) explain and energize an anti-war revolution.

Well I guess if you want to keep believing the Republican electorate is feverishly antiwar right now then there is nothing I can say to make you believe otherwise. Ron brought out every last Anti war republican out there and won zilch including his own district.

Matt Collins · Dec 2, 2015

klamath said:
The campaign's job is to sell the man to the voters for the job he is running for.

That also assumes that the candidate follows the messaging best suited to a winning strategy.

Matt Collins · Dec 2, 2015

DFF said:
My speculation probably isn't too far off, but whatever his real strategy was it obviously didn't work, because he's currently at 2% nationally.

National polls don't matter

Matt Collins · Dec 2, 2015

twomp said:
This shows you know nothing in general. How is Rand Paul doing in the polls by the way?

In Iowa he is doing great. And he is also doing great in a head-to-head against Hillary in specific swing states.

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