It's time for Rand Paul to unleash Ron Paul

[Joeinmo]

He just got 30,000 likes on a post

 

[jmdrake]

I'm a little confused by this post. It seems to me that on the one hand you are implying that Ron's campaign was better than Rand's at this point. But then on the other hand you actually go on to list precisely the reasons why I believe Ron would be actually doing just as "bad" as Rand. Like you said, back when Ron ran there was no Trump, and no Sanders for those Ron supporters who leaned left. There was also no one else that was anti-establishment. Those reasons you listed are spot on, in my opinion. So why do we keep hearing about how Rand's campaign is worse than Ron's? Didn't you just explain precisely why we cannot compare Ron's campaign to Rand's?

Sorry you weren't able to follow along. I will try to be clearer. Ron would be able to compete with Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders for anti establishment voters. Rand is not. And the reason Rand is not is because of how he has run his campaign. If you attack Donald Trump for not ruling out a third party run you have now lost some voters who will vote 3rd party in the general if neither of the main candidates win the nomination. You have lost those voters forever because you haven't just attacked Trump, you've attacked them. If you attack Ted Cruz for calling Mitch McConnell a liar, you have lost some of those voters who think Mitch McConnell is a liar forever. Ron would not have done either of those things. In a climate where there is not only more people competing for non-establishment voters you also have more non-establishment voters, Rand Paul isn't competing well. That's why you can compare the Rand campaign to Ron's. Ron's numbers would be higher now.

Also, as it has been said before, Ron's numbers were not that great when there was still over a month left before the caucus. Wasn't he at 8% in the polls? Rand is hovering around 4-5 in an environment that is much different as you yourself explained.

You're not keeping up. Rand's numbers have been hovering between 3 and 4. Just the other week someone posted how great it was that Rand had risen to 3.6%.

And as for the "where are the Ron supporters" question.. The fact that many of them are supporting Sanders makes it clear that they were never for liberty in the first place. So Ron's support really wasn't as solid as we thought. He was just the only one there at the time that those people could gravitate to.

You actually totally missed what I'm saying. The 18-22 Bernie Sanders supporters couldn't vote in 2012! So no, they weren't supporting Ron. Ron was able to convince 18 - 22 year olds who are impressionable to support his platform. Sanders is now reaching young impressionable voters. Rand not reaching them is not a reflection on shallow support for Ron. It's a result of miscalculations by the Rand Paul campaign!

 

[SilentBull]

Sorry you weren't able to follow along. I will try to be clearer. Ron would be able to compete with Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders for anti establishment voters. Rand is not. And the reason Rand is not is because of how he has run his campaign. If you attack Donald Trump for not ruling out a third party run you have now lost some voters who will vote 3rd party in the general if neither of the main candidates win the nomination. You have lost those voters forever because you haven't just attacked Trump, you've attacked them. If you attack Ted Cruz for calling Mitch McConnell a liar, you have lost some of those voters who think Mitch McConnell is a liar forever. Ron would not have done either of those things. In a climate where there is not only more people competing for non-establishment voters you also have more non-establishment voters, Rand Paul isn't competing well. That's why you can compare the Rand campaign to Ron's. Ron's numbers would be higher now.



You're not keeping up. Rand's numbers have been hovering between 3 and 4. Just the other week someone posted how great it was that Rand had risen to 3.6%.



You actually totally missed what I'm saying. The 18-22 Bernie Sanders supporters couldn't vote in 2012! So no, they weren't supporting Ron. Ron was able to convince 18 - 22 year olds who are impressionable to support his platform. Sanders is now reaching young impressionable voters. Rand not reaching them is not a reflection on shallow support for Ron. It's a result of miscalculations by the Rand Paul campaign!

I don't disagree with you about Rand's decision to go after Trump or to criticize Cruz. But I completely disagree that we can decide how much better or worse Rand is doing based on current polling. I think you will be proven completely wrong on caucus night. I just hope you are honest enough to admit how wrong you were.

And I also don't expect an anti-establishment candidate to win. I believe this anti-establishment sentiment is temporary. Most of the people that will vote aren't even paying attention right now. So I think Rand's strategy was to be the compromise for both establishment and anti-establishment voters. We'll find out if this works.

 

[Patrick Henry]

I say unleash the Kraken!