It's Over.

[LittleLightShining]

Then you are that much smarter than the Intelligent Designers and the Creationists.

Congratulations, and welcome to the 21st century.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution

I personally prefer this intellectual position over the other two, and find that those who adhere to it, are, by nature, vastly more intelligent and informed than their religious counterparts.

I myself am not a theistic evolutionist, and prefer my naturalism.

Yay! /claps

I'm intelligent! /claps more

 

[Kade]

What your Horse crap ( LOL! )? I responded, did you just miss that TOO?

Arterioscler Thromb Vasc Biol 1998 Apr;18(4):562-567. "PAI-1 plasma levels in a general population without clinical evidence of atherosclerosis: relation to environmental and genetic determinants," by Margaglione M, Cappucci G, d'Addedda M, Colaizzo D, Giuliani N, Vecchione G, Mascolo G, Grandone E, Di Minno G; Unita' di Trombosi e Aterosclerosi, IRCCS Casa Sollievo della Sofferenza, San Giovanni Rotondo (FG), Italy.

Molecular mechanism of a mild phenotype in coagulation factor XIII (FXIII) deficiency: asplicing mutation permitting partial correct splicing of FXIII A-subunit mRNA.

Mikkola H, Muszbek L, Laiho E, Syrjala M, Hamalainen E, Haramura G, Salmi T, Peltonen L, Palotie A
Department of Clinical Chemistry, University of Helsinki, Finland.

Meyer, et. al., 1990, Monophyletic origin of Lake Victoria cichlid fishes suggested by mitochondrial DNA sequences, Nature 347: 550-553

Breeuwer and Werren, 1990, Microorganisms associated with chromosome destruction and reproductive isolation between two insect species, Nature 346: 558 - 560

Gwynne and Simmons, 1990, Experimental reversal of courtship roles in an insect, Nature 346: 172 - 174

Gingerich, et. el., 1990, Hind Limbs of Eocene Basilosaurus: Evidence of Feet in Whales, Science 249: 154-156

Golenberg, et.al., 1990, Chloroplast DNA sequence from a Miocene Magnolia species, Nature 344: 656 - 658

Houde and Endler, 1990, Correlated Evolution of Female Mating Preferences and Male Color Pattern in the Guppy Poecilia reticulata, Science 248: 1405 - 1408

Kuhsel, et. al., An Ancient Group I Intron Shared by Eubacteria and Chloroplasts, Science 250: 1570 - 1572

Roose and Gottlieb, 1976, Genetic and Biochemical Consequences of Polyploidy in Tragopogon, Evolution 30: 818 - 830

Benkman and Lindholm, 1991, The advantages and evolution of a morphological novelty, Nature 349: 519-521

Luria and Delbruck, 1943, Mutations of Bacteria from Virus Sensitivity to Virus Resistance, Genetics 28: 491 - 511

Cairns, et.al., 1988, The origin of mutants, Nature 335: 142 - 145

Hall, 1990, Spontaneous Point Mutations That Occur More Often When Advantageous Than When Neutral, Genetics 126: 5 - 16

Chao, 1990, Fitness of an RNA virus decreased by Muller's ratchet, Nature 348: 454 - 455

Bowcock, et. al., 1991, Drift, admixture and selection in human evolution: A study with DNA polymorphisms. PNAS 88: 893-843

Turlings, et. al., Exploitation of Herbivore-Induced Plant Odors by Host-Seeking Parasitic Wasps, Science 250: 1251 - 1252

 

[Truth Warrior]

Arterioscler Thromb Vasc Biol 1998 Apr;18(4):562-567. "PAI-1 plasma levels in a general population without clinical evidence of atherosclerosis: relation to environmental and genetic determinants," by Margaglione M, Cappucci G, d'Addedda M, Colaizzo D, Giuliani N, Vecchione G, Mascolo G, Grandone E, Di Minno G; Unita' di Trombosi e Aterosclerosi, IRCCS Casa Sollievo della Sofferenza, San Giovanni Rotondo (FG), Italy.

Molecular mechanism of a mild phenotype in coagulation factor XIII (FXIII) deficiency: asplicing mutation permitting partial correct splicing of FXIII A-subunit mRNA.

Mikkola H, Muszbek L, Laiho E, Syrjala M, Hamalainen E, Haramura G, Salmi T, Peltonen L, Palotie A
Department of Clinical Chemistry, University of Helsinki, Finland.

Meyer, et. al., 1990, Monophyletic origin of Lake Victoria cichlid fishes suggested by mitochondrial DNA sequences, Nature 347: 550-553

Breeuwer and Werren, 1990, Microorganisms associated with chromosome destruction and reproductive isolation between two insect species, Nature 346: 558 - 560

Gwynne and Simmons, 1990, Experimental reversal of courtship roles in an insect, Nature 346: 172 - 174

Gingerich, et. el., 1990, Hind Limbs of Eocene Basilosaurus: Evidence of Feet in Whales, Science 249: 154-156

Golenberg, et.al., 1990, Chloroplast DNA sequence from a Miocene Magnolia species, Nature 344: 656 - 658

Houde and Endler, 1990, Correlated Evolution of Female Mating Preferences and Male Color Pattern in the Guppy Poecilia reticulata, Science 248: 1405 - 1408

Kuhsel, et. al., An Ancient Group I Intron Shared by Eubacteria and Chloroplasts, Science 250: 1570 - 1572

Roose and Gottlieb, 1976, Genetic and Biochemical Consequences of Polyploidy in Tragopogon, Evolution 30: 818 - 830

Benkman and Lindholm, 1991, The advantages and evolution of a morphological novelty, Nature 349: 519-521

Luria and Delbruck, 1943, Mutations of Bacteria from Virus Sensitivity to Virus Resistance, Genetics 28: 491 - 511

Cairns, et.al., 1988, The origin of mutants, Nature 335: 142 - 145

Hall, 1990, Spontaneous Point Mutations That Occur More Often When Advantageous Than When Neutral, Genetics 126: 5 - 16

Chao, 1990, Fitness of an RNA virus decreased by Muller's ratchet, Nature 348: 454 - 455

Bowcock, et. al., 1991, Drift, admixture and selection in human evolution: A study with DNA polymorphisms. PNAS 88: 893-843

Turlings, et. al., Exploitation of Herbivore-Induced Plant Odors by Host-Seeking Parasitic Wasps, Science 250: 1251 - 1252

ONE wall o' text demands another.

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"I am skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."
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Henry F. Schaefer: Director, Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry: U. of Georgia • Fred Sigworth: Prof. of Cellular & Molecular Physiology - Grad. School: Yale U. • Philip S. Skell: Emeritus Prof. Of Chemistry: NAS member • Frank Tipler: Prof. of Mathematical Physics: Tulane U. • Robert Kaita: Plasma Physics Lab: Princeton U. • Michael Behe: Prof. of Biological Science: Lehigh U. • Walter Hearn: PhD Biochemistry-U of Illinois • Tony Mega: Assoc. Prof. of Chemistry: Whitworth College • Dean Kenyon: Prof. Emeritus of Biology: San Francisco State U. • Marko Horb: Researcher, Dept. of Biology & Biochemistry: U. of Bath, UK • Daniel Kubler: Asst. Prof. of Biology: Franciscan U. of Steubenville • David Keller: Assoc. Prof. of Chemistry: U. of New Mexico • James Keesling: Prof. of Mathematics: U. of Florida • Roland F. Hirsch: PhD Analytical Chemistry-U. of Michigan • Robert Newman: PhD Astrophysics-Cornell U. • Carl Koval: Prof., Chemistry & Biochemistry: U. of Colorado, Boulder • Tony Jelsma: Prof. of Biology: Dordt College • William A. Dembski: PhD Mathematics-U. of Chicago: • George Lebo: Assoc. Prof. of Astronomy: U. of Florida • Timothy G. Standish: PhD Environmental Biology-George Mason U. • James Keener: Prof. of Mathematics & Adjunct of Bioengineering: U. of Utah • Robert J. Marks: Prof. of Signal & Image Processing: U. of Washington • Carl Poppe: Senior Fellow: Lawrence Livermore Laboratories • Siegfried Scherer: Prof. of Microbial Ecology: Technische Universitaet Muenchen • Gregory Shearer: Internal Medicine, Research: U. of California, Davis • Joseph Atkinson: PhD Organic Chemistry-M.I.T.: American Chemical Society, member • Lawrence H. Johnston: Emeritus Prof. of Physics: U. of Idaho • Scott Minnich: Prof., Dept of Microbiology, Molecular Biology & Biochem: U. of Idaho • David A. DeWitt: PhD Neuroscience-Case Western U. • Theodor Liss: PhD Chemistry-M.I.T. • Braxton Alfred: Emeritus Prof. of Anthropology: U. of British Columbia • Walter Bradley: Prof. Emeritus of Mechanical Engineering: Texas A & M • Paul D. Brown: Asst. Prof. of Environmental Studies: Trinity Western U. (Canada) • Marvin Fritzler: Prof. of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology: U. of Calgary, Medical School • Theodore Saito: Project Manager: Lawrence Livermore Laboratories • Muzaffar Iqbal: PhD Chemistry-U. of Saskatchewan: Center for Theology the Natural Sciences • William S. Pelletier: Emeritus Distinguished Prof. of Chemistry: U. of Georgia, Athens • Keith Delaplane: Prof. of Entomology: U. of Georgia • Ken Smith: Prof. of Mathematics: Central Michigan U. • Clarence Fouche: Prof. of Biology: Virginia Intermont College • Thomas Milner: Asst. Prof. of Biomedical Engineering: U. of Texas, Austin • Brian J. Miller: PhD Physics-Duke U. • Paul Nesselroade: Assoc. 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Prof. of Surgery: U. of Washington • Rafe Payne: Prof. & Chair, Biola Dept. of Biological Sciences: Biola U. • Phillip Savage: Prof. of Chemical Engineering: U. of Michigan • Pattle Pun: Prof. of Biology: Wheaton College • Jed Macosko: Postdoctoral Researcher-Molecular Biology: U. of California, Berkeley • Daniel Dix: Assoc. Prof. of Mathematics: U. of South Carolina • Ed Karlow: Chair, Dept. of Physics: LaSierra U. • James Harbrecht: Clinical Assoc. Prof.: U. of Kansas Medical Center • Robert W. Smith: Prof. of Chemistry: U. of Nebraska, Omaha • Robert DiSilvestro: PhD Biochemistry-Texas A & M U. • David Prentice: Prof., Dept. of Life Sciences: Indiana State U. • Walt Stangl: Assoc. Prof. of Mathematics: Biola U. • Jonathan Wells: PhD Molecular & Cell Biology-U. of California, Berkeley: • James Tour: Chao Prof. of Chemistry: Rice U. • Todd Watson: Asst. Prof. of Urban & Community Forestry: Texas A & M U. • Robert Waltzer: Assoc. Prof. of Biology: Belhaven College • Vincente Villa: Prof. of Biology: Southwestern U. • Richard Sternberg: Postdoctoral Fellow, Invertebrate Biology: Smithsonian Institute • James Tumlin: Assoc. Prof. of Medicine: Emory U. • Charles Thaxton: PhD Physical Chemistry-Iowa State U.

 

[Kade]

ONE wall o' text demands another.

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"I am skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."
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Henry F. Schaefer: Director, Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry: U. of Georgia • Fred Sigworth: Prof. of Cellular & Molecular Physiology - Grad. School: Yale U. • Philip S. Skell: Emeritus Prof. Of Chemistry: NAS member • Frank Tipler: Prof. of Mathematical Physics: Tulane U. • Robert Kaita: Plasma Physics Lab: Princeton U. • Michael Behe: Prof. of Biological Science: Lehigh U. • Walter Hearn: PhD Biochemistry-U of Illinois • Tony Mega: Assoc. Prof. of Chemistry: Whitworth College • Dean Kenyon: Prof. Emeritus of Biology: San Francisco State U. • Marko Horb: Researcher, Dept. of Biology & Biochemistry: U. of Bath, UK • Daniel Kubler: Asst. Prof. of Biology: Franciscan U. of Steubenville • David Keller: Assoc. Prof. of Chemistry: U. of New Mexico • James Keesling: Prof. of Mathematics: U. of Florida • Roland F. Hirsch: PhD Analytical Chemistry-U. of Michigan • Robert Newman: PhD Astrophysics-Cornell U. • Carl Koval: Prof., Chemistry & Biochemistry: U. of Colorado, Boulder • Tony Jelsma: Prof. of Biology: Dordt College • William A. Dembski: PhD Mathematics-U. of Chicago: • George Lebo: Assoc. Prof. of Astronomy: U. of Florida • Timothy G. Standish: PhD Environmental Biology-George Mason U. • James Keener: Prof. of Mathematics & Adjunct of Bioengineering: U. of Utah • Robert J. Marks: Prof. of Signal & Image Processing: U. of Washington • Carl Poppe: Senior Fellow: Lawrence Livermore Laboratories • Siegfried Scherer: Prof. of Microbial Ecology: Technische Universitaet Muenchen • Gregory Shearer: Internal Medicine, Research: U. of California, Davis • Joseph Atkinson: PhD Organic Chemistry-M.I.T.: American Chemical Society, member • Lawrence H. Johnston: Emeritus Prof. of Physics: U. of Idaho • Scott Minnich: Prof., Dept of Microbiology, Molecular Biology & Biochem: U. of Idaho • David A. DeWitt: PhD Neuroscience-Case Western U. • Theodor Liss: PhD Chemistry-M.I.T. • Braxton Alfred: Emeritus Prof. of Anthropology: U. of British Columbia • Walter Bradley: Prof. Emeritus of Mechanical Engineering: Texas A & M • Paul D. Brown: Asst. Prof. of Environmental Studies: Trinity Western U. (Canada) • Marvin Fritzler: Prof. of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology: U. of Calgary, Medical School • Theodore Saito: Project Manager: Lawrence Livermore Laboratories • Muzaffar Iqbal: PhD Chemistry-U. of Saskatchewan: Center for Theology the Natural Sciences • William S. Pelletier: Emeritus Distinguished Prof. of Chemistry: U. of Georgia, Athens • Keith Delaplane: Prof. of Entomology: U. of Georgia • Ken Smith: Prof. of Mathematics: Central Michigan U. • Clarence Fouche: Prof. of Biology: Virginia Intermont College • Thomas Milner: Asst. Prof. of Biomedical Engineering: U. of Texas, Austin • Brian J. Miller: PhD Physics-Duke U. • Paul Nesselroade: Assoc. Prof. of Psychology: Simpson College • Donald F. Calbreath: Prof. of Chemistry: Whitworth College • William P. Purcell: PhD Physical Chemistry-Princeton U. • Wesley Allen: Prof. of Computational Quantum Chemistry: U. of Georgia • Jeanne Drisko: Asst. Prof., Kansas Medical Center: U. of Kansas, School of Medicine • Chris Grace: Assoc. Prof. of Psychology: Biola U. • Wolfgang Smith: Prof. Emeritus-Mathematics: Oregon State U. • Rosalind Picard: Assoc. Prof. Computer Science: M.I.T. • Garrick Little: Senior Scientist, Li-Cor: Li-Cor • John L. Omdahl: Prof. of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology: U. of New Mexico • Martin Poenie: Assoc. Prof. of Molecular Cell & Developmental Bio: U. of Texas, Austin • Russell W. Carlson: Prof. of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology: U. of Georgia • Hugh Nutley: Prof. Emeritus of Physics & Engineering: Seattle Pacific U. • David Berlinski: PhD Philosophy-Princeton: Mathematician, Author • Neil Broom: Assoc. Prof., Chemical & Materials Engineeering: U. of Auckland • John Bloom: Assoc. Prof., Physics: Biola U. • James Graham: Professional Geologist, Sr. Program Manager: National Environmental Consulting Firm • John Baumgardner: Technical Staff, Theoretical Division: Los Alamos National Laboratory • Fred Skiff: Prof. of Physics: U. of Iowa • Paul Kuld: Assoc. Prof., Biological Science: Biola U. • Yongsoon Park: Senior Research Scientist: St. Luke's Hospital, Kansas City • Moorad Alexanian: Prof. of Physics: U. of North Carolina, Wilmington • Donald Ewert: Director of Research Administration: Wistar Institute • Joseph W. Francis: Assoc. Prof. of Biology: Cedarville U. • Thomas Saleska: Prof. of Biology: Concordia U. • Ralph W. Seelke: Prof. & Chair of Dept. of Biology & Earth Sciences: U. of Wisconsin, Superior • James G. Harman: Assoc. Chair, Dept. of Chemistry & Biochemistry: Texas Tech U. • Lennart Moller: Prof. of Environmental Medicine, Karolinska Institute: U. of Stockholm • Raymond G. Bohlin: PhD Molecular & Cell Biology-U. of Texas: • Fazale R. Rana: PhD Chemistry-Ohio U. • Michael Atchison: Prof. of Biochemistry: U. of Pennsylvania, Vet School • William S. Harris: Prof. of Basic Medical Sciences: U. of Missouri, Kansas City • Rebecca W. Keller: Research Prof., Dept. of Chemistry: U. of New Mexico • Terry Morrison: PhD Chemistry-Syracuse U. • Robert F. DeHaan: PhD Human Development-U. of Chicago • Matti Lesola: Prof., Laboratory of Bioprocess Engineering: Helsinki U. of Technology • Bruce Evans: Assoc. Prof. of Biology: Huntington College • Jim Gibson: PhD Biology-Loma Linda U. • David Ness: PhD Anthropology-Temple U. • Bijan Nemati: Senior Engineer: Jet Propulsion Lab (NASA) • Edward T. Peltzer: Senior Research Specialist: Monterey Bay Research Institute • Stan E. Lennard: Clinical Assoc. Prof. of Surgery: U. of Washington • Rafe Payne: Prof. & Chair, Biola Dept. of Biological Sciences: Biola U. • Phillip Savage: Prof. of Chemical Engineering: U. of Michigan • Pattle Pun: Prof. of Biology: Wheaton College • Jed Macosko: Postdoctoral Researcher-Molecular Biology: U. of California, Berkeley • Daniel Dix: Assoc. Prof. of Mathematics: U. of South Carolina • Ed Karlow: Chair, Dept. of Physics: LaSierra U. • James Harbrecht: Clinical Assoc. Prof.: U. of Kansas Medical Center • Robert W. Smith: Prof. of Chemistry: U. of Nebraska, Omaha • Robert DiSilvestro: PhD Biochemistry-Texas A & M U. • David Prentice: Prof., Dept. of Life Sciences: Indiana State U. • Walt Stangl: Assoc. Prof. of Mathematics: Biola U. • Jonathan Wells: PhD Molecular & Cell Biology-U. of California, Berkeley: • James Tour: Chao Prof. of Chemistry: Rice U. • Todd Watson: Asst. Prof. of Urban & Community Forestry: Texas A & M U. • Robert Waltzer: Assoc. Prof. of Biology: Belhaven College • Vincente Villa: Prof. of Biology: Southwestern U. • Richard Sternberg: Postdoctoral Fellow, Invertebrate Biology: Smithsonian Institute • James Tumlin: Assoc. Prof. of Medicine: Emory U. • Charles Thaxton: PhD Physical Chemistry-Iowa State U.

Oooooooh, the Discovery Institute Lists!

Countered, easily:

http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/3541_project_steve_2_16_2003.asp

 

[Truth Warrior]

Oooooooh, the Discovery Institute Lists!

Countered, easily:

http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/3541_project_steve_2_16_2003.asp

Merely bashing the skeptics and critics AGAIN.

That's all they got folks!

Sorry, It's over.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Your correction is incorrect. The horse fossils show variation between horses (or more likely degeneration of certain horses), not evidence of evolution of something NOT horse into the horse family. Variation is not exclusively or best explained by evolution. Their overall fixity or sameness in many respects is best accounted for by a common Creator, who created the animal group with a capacity for change within a certain range.

 

[Matt_R]

Once you logically deduce proof down to it's finest points, you will realize the only true thing that may be absolutely proven is consciousness. The fact that something with the power of the human brain exists creates holes in all other attempts of proof. Hallucinations are possible, so anything you see, hear, read, or think may be inaccurate. I've had dreams in which I experience myself as someone else, so you may not even be yourself. Before you say, this guy is crazy, think about it. What if you're the one that's crazy, would you even realize it.

Now I know this statement seemed way off topic, but I'll bring it back around. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is 100% provable, beyond the concept of consciousness, so in all situations we go with what is most likely. Many of the creationists in this topic treat macroevolution as an impossibility, although it is the best scientific conclusion available. Pointing out that it is impossible to know is a ridiculous claim, as everything is impossible. A complete set of evidence for macroevolution is impossible to obtain, as is a complete set of evidence for anything. Having a belief, or faith, in what is most likely makes the only logical sense.

And one question, what happens when something goes through millions upon millions of small microevolutionary trait changes? Will it not eventually become a new species? Evolution was completely denied by creationism for over a century, until microevolution was "basically" proven. Now microevolution is accepted, but macroevolution is not. It baffles me how anyone could accept one, and not the other. Macroevolution is just the culmination of micro. I think I'll start denying microevolution, but believe macro.

 

[Kade]

Merely bashing the skeptics and critics AGAIN.

That's all they got folks!

Sorry, It's over.

A species is simply a group of organisms capable of producing viable offspring.

A new species emerges when one group can no longer breed with another.

Cervus canadensis (Elk), Cervus elaphus (Red Deer) and Rangifer tarandus (Reindeer) are all part of the family Cervidae, and they cannot breed. They are different animals. Yet, they are all evolved, (as are the current 220 artiodactyl species) proven through mitochondrial dna testing, dental formulation, bone structure, fossil records, and family phenotypes to two ancient species of ungulates called Odocoileus and Mazama americana.

Please explain to me what you don't understand about "Macroevolution".

 

[dannno]

The final nail in the coffin known as Creationism, has been hammered.

20 years of research. A single moment in time.

So, maybe God created evolution? Have you ever thought about that before?

Could you please explain how this defeats the idea of creationism?

This Atheist Coalition BS is starting to drive me nuts.

You can prove anything you want scientifically, but it is not going to tell us whether this was all created by 'accident' or by God. And please don't use the Bible for reference. I don't believe a word from that book.

 

[Kade]

So, maybe God created evolution? Have you ever thought about that before?

Could you please explain how this defeats the idea of creationism?

This Atheist Coalition BS is starting to drive me nuts.

You can prove anything you want scientifically, but it is not going to tell us whether this was all created by 'accident' or by God. And please don't use the Bible for reference. I don't believe a word from that book.

Read the whole thread before you make stupid comments please. I already answered this, twice.

 

[dannno]

Read the whole thread before you make stupid comments please. I already answered this, twice.

So you are saying it is impossible for God to have created evolution?

And you know this how? Scientifically?

You can repost a previous post, I don't have time to go through 18 pages, it's that what you are saying is complete garbage. There is nothing on this earth or anywhere in the Universe that proves God does not exist.

 

[Kade]

So you are saying it is impossible for God to have created evolution?

And you know this how? Scientifically?

You can repost a previous post, I don't have time to go through 18 pages, it's that what you are saying is complete garbage. There is nothing on this earth or anywhere in the Universe that proves God does not exist.

That's not what I said, will you please go read the thread before you make stupid comments.


You can't really be this thick.

 

[Kade]

So you are saying it is impossible for God to have created evolution?

And you know this how? Scientifically?

You can repost a previous post, I don't have time to go through 18 pages, it's that what you are saying is complete garbage. There is nothing on this earth or anywhere in the Universe that proves God does not exist.

Fine:

Then you are that much smarter than the Intelligent Designers and the Creationists.

Congratulations, and welcome to the 21st century.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution

I personally prefer this intellectual position over the other two, and find that those who adhere to it, are, by nature, vastly more intelligent and informed than their religious counterparts.

I myself am not a theistic evolutionist, and prefer my naturalism.

Creationism is the idea that everything was created in it's original form by a god.

That is patently false. It makes no claim on god, or the existence of god. Although I personally do not believe in a god, I also don't believe we can "prove" that there is no god. Which is why science works, we can test and verify claims of people who do... Creationism is wrong, but that shouldn't be used as a reason to diminish people's faith: http://www.findingdarwinsgod.com/


Kenneth Miller is a remarkable scientist, and what he says carries a lot of weight in the scientific community, he is also a Christian, and although I disagree with his book, he has made a case for a god that doesn't really violate the tenets of science.

I'm not trying to prove the nonexistence of a god, that would be impossible, just as I couldn't prove that there was not a real life Smurf smoking Nutmeg on Saturn.

 

[Kade]

Because this thread got hijacked again, I'll post this again:


A species is simply a group of organisms capable of producing viable offspring.

A new species emerges when one group can no longer breed with another.

Cervus canadensis (Elk), Cervus elaphus (Red Deer) and Rangifer tarandus (Reindeer) are all part of the family Cervidae, and they cannot breed. They are different animals. Yet, they are all evolved, (as are the current 220 artiodactyl species) proven through mitochondrial dna testing, dental formulation, bone structure, fossil records, and family phenotypes to two ancient species of ungulates called Odocoileus and Mazama americana.

Please explain to me what you don't understand about "Macroevolution".

 

[dannno]

You can't really be this thick.

Can I link you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism#Types_of_Christian_creationism where it states that Theistic evolution is one example of several types of "major" creationist views??? Do you disagree?


It is also known as "evolutionary creationism", however the fact remains that your article does not disprove creationism, only certain types.

 

[phixion]

So you are saying it is impossible for God to have created evolution?

And you know this how? Scientifically?

You can repost a previous post, I don't have time to go through 18 pages, it's that what you are saying is complete garbage. There is nothing on this earth or anywhere in the Universe that proves God does not exist.

That's like saying there's nothing in the universe that proves an invisible elephant with twelve legs doesn't exist.

It's just silly. Most civilisations have their mythology, various Gods and such-like. Most worshipped the sun. Many stories were wrote around the worship of the sun and the stars.

The rest as they say is history.

Pete

 

[dannno]

That's like saying there's nothing in the universe that proves an invisible elephant with twelve legs doesn't exist.

So?

Do you really think that we can perceive everything that exists? If you think so, you may very well be mistaken.

 

[LittleLightShining]

So?

Do you really think that we can perceive everything that exists? If you think so, you may very well be mistaken.

+1

 

[Kade]

So?

Do you really think that we can perceive everything that exists? If you think so, you may very well be mistaken.

-2

 

[phixion]

So?

Do you really think that we can perceive everything that exists? If you think so, you may very well be mistaken.

You clutch at straws to hold on to your belief that there is a God, just because you live in some kind of wacked out 'Anything goes' reality.

Wise up.

If I throw a brick at your head and it strikes the target, you would get hurt. That's real, mate. That's reality. That's fact. That's absolute truth.

Now let's talk about INVISIBLE BRICKS, shall we? Are you ready? They do not EXIST. I can say that with absolute certainty!

If you THINK there's a chance invisible bricks exist then you are childish. You are a fool. You are desperate to cling to your insane belief in some 'God'.

Pete